Official Dead or Alive Xtreme Thread

KasumiLover

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Whether it's Mila or Rachel really doesn't matter to me. As long as we actually GET at LEAST one cut girl in there, I'll be fine (heck, I'm hoping we get most if not ALL the cut girls in this year, including NiCO).

So far as Mila's concerned, to be fair, we did technically have a tomboy character in the game (since Lobelia EXPLICITLY referred to Fiona as one in that rock-climbing episode), and there's nothing against adding a different flavor of tomboy in there (just ask Momiji, Sayuri and technically Tamaki, who are three different takes on the Big Sis archetype. And that's not counting how we technically have five different Tsunderes in the game [Ayane, Nagisa, Elise, Amy [and that one was specifically meant to be written as one, BTW] and Reika]). As far as Mila's story, what's to say we can't have her, say, going to the island and trying to participate in the festival with emphasis on the strength part in addition to beauty. That would be a twist to the norm (as even Hitomi was implied to place some value on the beauty requirements even if she wasn't quite sure how to reach that threshold). Oh, and then discovering Tina's there as well.

And as far as outfits are concerned, I think they can figure something out for her. Maybe something sporty similar to Reika.

That said, I definitely agree Rachel ought to take precedence this year, mostly because of the whole Year of Ninja thing they are doing (plus, it WOULD make a good promotion of the upcoming Ninja Gaiden games either way).
Tbh as far as traits go, I don't consider Fiona a pure tomboy, she's like lili where she has tendencies to do stuff that isn't normally deemed feminine but she's too flowery to be one, I think Nagisa is probably the tomboy of the game. Elise i don't view as tsundere, she's a tad too soft to be that, she's just no games all business before she starts to realize it's ok to let go and have fun.

Reika I don't view as a tsundere either, she's just bitterly cold because of her inadequacies regarding her swimming slump and she projects that slight inferiority on others because of it, but the fact that she does eventually apologize for it but seems to keep the same disposition just shows me she's used to being praised and is naturally confident so when she feels not up to par, she becomes icy but not as frigid as Nagisa or ayane.

I think for an OG myself, they can have Lisa who decides to partake in the fests for nostalgia since she was the OG new girl of XBV and she's played volleyball in high school so she's most balanced. Rachel could be there since she found Ayane and Momiji there and she decides to stay to test out her prowess in something other than fighting, and Mila I can see for the reason you said.

Idk about nico since idk how'd they downgrade her look to fit the 2015-2017 era visuals, and on top of that I can't see any reason for her to be on the island and I can't see her really at all opening up to the owner low how the other girls do since Nico isnt really all that approachable or nice by nature. Rachel i can't really see either since she's naturally a more hardened person but maybe she can play into the more dominant role they have Elise try to do even tho imo Elise doesn't really do it that well, but maybe it's to make her more likable since she's soft compared to other similar troped girls
 

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Well, thank you for the negative opinion on Mila.

I let loose on her didn’t I? I apologize for that, but when people come after Rachel in any way shape or form I completely lose it and people have attacked Rachel hard here in the past and it has made me extra defensive.

Mila isn’t the worst, but out of all the DOA girls she is definitely my least favorite.
 

deathofaninja

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Tbh as far as traits go, I don't consider Fiona a pure tomboy, she's like lili where she has tendencies to do stuff that isn't normally deemed feminine but she's too flowery to be one, I think Nagisa is probably the tomboy of the game. Elise i don't view as tsundere, she's a tad too soft to be that, she's just no games all business before she starts to realize it's ok to let go and have fun.

Reika I don't view as a tsundere either, she's just bitterly cold because of her inadequacies regarding her swimming slump and she projects that slight inferiority on others because of it, but the fact that she does eventually apologize for it but seems to keep the same disposition just shows me she's used to being praised and is naturally confident so when she feels not up to par, she becomes icy but not as frigid as Nagisa or ayane.

I think for an OG myself, they can have Lisa who decides to partake in the fests for nostalgia since she was the OG new girl of XBV and she's played volleyball in high school so she's most balanced. Rachel could be there since she found Ayane and Momiji there and she decides to stay to test out her prowess in something other than fighting, and Mila I can see for the reason you said.

Idk about nico since idk how'd they downgrade her look to fit the 2015-2017 era visuals, and on top of that I can't see any reason for her to be on the island and I can't see her really at all opening up to the owner low how the other girls do since Nico isnt really all that approachable or nice by nature. Rachel i can't really see either since she's naturally a more hardened person but maybe she can play into the more dominant role they have Elise try to do even tho imo Elise doesn't really do it that well, but maybe it's to make her more likable since she's soft compared to other similar troped girls

Did you play NGB by any chance. There really isn’t anything dominant about Rachel’s personality (for the third time) other than her crunching someone’s nuts, saying “die” and saying “you’re pretty good for a human.” Three things.

In the storyline she’s held captive several times, has interaction with Hayabusa and is obviously in love with him, but gets rejected. She only fights because she feels like she has to, and wants the fiends to pay for her sister.

To me it sounds like she has just as much of a reason to be on that island as Kasumi or Ayane would and I don’t want her thrown in some generic piss written trope of being a dominant Amazon when what written material we have of her now is 10 times better than that.

What would be wrong with NiCO joining. She could be the Scientist of the island. She doesn’t have to be nice to the owner to get a ticket.
 

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Did you play NGB by any chance. There really isn’t anything dominant about Rachel’s personality (for the third time) other than her crunching someone’s nuts, saying “die” and saying “you’re pretty good for a human.” Three things.

In the storyline she’s held captive several times, has interaction with Hayabusa and is obviously in love with him, but gets rejected. She only fights because she feels like she has to, and wants the fiends to pay for her sister.

To me it sounds like she has just as much of a reason to be on that island as Kasumi or Ayane would and I don’t want her thrown in some generic piss written trope of being a dominant Amazon when what written material we have of her now is 10 times better than that.

What would be wrong with NiCO joining. She could be the Scientist of the island. She doesn’t have to be nice to the owner to get a ticket.
I haven't played yet but I usually go off her personality seen in DOA5, it's probably her voice and how she seems aggressive at times that makes me see her as a laid back dominant since she tends to think humans aren't on her level for the most part. And I wouldn't mind them joining the game but I'd be curious to see how they'd factor in mostly
 

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I haven't played yet but I usually go off her personality seen in DOA5, it's probably her voice and how she seems aggressive at times that makes me see her as a laid back dominant since she tends to think humans aren't on her level for the most part. And I wouldn't mind them joining the game but I'd be curious to see how they'd factor in mostly

She certainly admired Hayabusa and IMO wants to be impressed with humans even though she has advantages. I’m not saying she doesn’t kick ass, but any aggravation she shows towards people in combat is mainly a front to bring the best out of them so she can continue her practice.
 

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Tbh as far as traits go, I don't consider Fiona a pure tomboy, she's like lili where she has tendencies to do stuff that isn't normally deemed feminine but she's too flowery to be one, I think Nagisa is probably the tomboy of the game. Elise i don't view as tsundere, she's a tad too soft to be that, she's just no games all business before she starts to realize it's ok to let go and have fun.

Reika I don't view as a tsundere either, she's just bitterly cold because of her inadequacies regarding her swimming slump and she projects that slight inferiority on others because of it, but the fact that she does eventually apologize for it but seems to keep the same disposition just shows me she's used to being praised and is naturally confident so when she feels not up to par, she becomes icy but not as frigid as Nagisa or ayane.

I think for an OG myself, they can have Lisa who decides to partake in the fests for nostalgia since she was the OG new girl of XBV and she's played volleyball in high school so she's most balanced. Rachel could be there since she found Ayane and Momiji there and she decides to stay to test out her prowess in something other than fighting, and Mila I can see for the reason you said.

Idk about nico since idk how'd they downgrade her look to fit the 2015-2017 era visuals, and on top of that I can't see any reason for her to be on the island and I can't see her really at all opening up to the owner low how the other girls do since Nico isnt really all that approachable or nice by nature. Rachel i can't really see either since she's naturally a more hardened person but maybe she can play into the more dominant role they have Elise try to do even tho imo Elise doesn't really do it that well, but maybe it's to make her more likable since she's soft compared to other similar troped girls
I know TVTropes actually DID list Elise as a Tsundere partly because of her treatment of the Owner (and aside from that, Sakuta DID acknowledge that they essentially wrote her to have a similar tendency to yell at the Owner to Nagisa, albeit for different reasons, due to how players apparently liked to be yelled at), and as far as Reika is concerned... I know Sakuta did reference the Tsundere trope when explaining why Reika's... initial cold treatment of the Owner was more receptive to Japanese audiences. I believe it was on this bit: https://automaton-media.com/en/news...eated-entirely-by-the-international-dev-team/ As far as Fiona, she clearly isn't a tomboy compared to the one in Shrek, I'll admit that much, but she's at least tomboy enough in personality for Lobelia to specifically refer to her as such when doing that rock-climbing contest. I believe her exact words on the matter were "I mean, you're a princess, but act like a tomboy, just like the beloperone flower."

As deathofaninja pointed out, Rachel tends to be a lot nicer in her home game, and her bio implies that she participated in the Dead or Alive tournaments specifically to use her Fiend Hunting skills in a considerably non-lethal manner, so it can be assumed she assumes an aggressive demeanor specifically to encourage her opponents to go all out. Besides, I'm pretty sure they can use her NG personality (if they can have Momiji reference her home village and role as role model and big sister multiple times and even play a key role in how she quelled Kanna, I'm pretty sure they know enough about Rachel's personality from the NG games to actually incorporate it in there).

As far as NiCO, since she ranked above even Tina in the more recent poll Famitsu did just before Tina was formally announced as coming, I really don't see how she won't appear. And to be fair, the Xtreme series had Christie, a remorseless assassin, enjoying a vacation and engaging in relatively more peaceful terms with the other girls in the tournament (heck, even getting along with Helena in Xtreme 2 despite Helena having REALLY good reason to hate her by that time due to, you know, learning she's pretty much the reason Helena's mom died at the opera). And that's not even getting into the elephant in the room involving Kanna, who planned to outright ENSLAVE the Owner if she wins the festival, and the various inhabitants. If they can get in, I'm pretty sure NiCO has a decent shot as well.

And I'd definitely like the cut girls to get in, all of them, and that includes Lisa. In fact, why not have Lisa and NiCO be the scientists on the island? Have a bit of foils to each other regarding science-based stuff, maybe even interact with Amy and Luna (they may not be scientists by trade, but they are an engineer and a folklorist by trade, which does deal with similar stuff).
 

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Kasumi-Phase-X

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Happy Birthday Helena

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Dead or Alive Xtreme Venus Vacation devs were on a mission to make players “suffer” with Honoka’s well-endowed body and new, sexier-than-ever costume​


They didn't have to work too hard because Honoka already naturally induces suffering... or is it just me?

Perfectly cutting off her intro pose where she runs at the screen always gives me a chuckle tho... "GANBA---"
 

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I doubt TN is using that poll as a blueprint for anything at this point. When I look around YouTube and other social media comments, I've observed more people requesting Rachel than any of the other girls. I see mainly Rachel and Lisa if I'm being blunt. The fact that she has a brand-new model for NGIIB also promotes the idea of relevancy. Meaning out of all the missing girls, Rachel is the first one to reappear in a significant number of years with an updated take on her body.

Its from the same developer that had a limited budget/resources that created DOAX3, and the cast of characters were chosen by a Voting Poll which results in half of Itagaki's Legacy Characters cut in half and having 3 new girls which are based on Japanese interest in Manga/Light Novels like Marie Rose (who would be My choice for the character I would root for her to win). The cut girls we've had so far were the ones that are higher than Rachel (first voting poll) & Lisa (second voting poll tied with Christie), so in the name of pattern recognition along with staff taking years to include the rest of cut DOA girls since their priorities are creating Brand New Girls, I would easily believe for NiCO & Mila to be the next girls unless DOAXVV Staff announces concept art or plan on included Bottom of Barrel Girls (for objective standpoint) like Lisa or Rachel.

The question for Youtube & Other Social Media Comments is are they Japanese? Since KT Western Branches decided not to make DOAX3 worldwide, along with the only people who were allowed to vote on their characters are Japanese Player Base. If there was more people within Japan that are talking about Rachel & Lisa, their big mistake was not partake in DOAX3 Voting Poll or 2nd Voting Poll resulting them to be less popular than Lei-Fang & Tina (who were later added in DOAXVV), Mila (who was behind Tina), & NiCO (2nd Voting Poll)

DOAXVV has every opportunity to include Rachel in time with NGIIB, but the question is if the staff going to follow it up during the moment to promote DOAXVV Players to some Ninja Gaiden content like Rachel for character and/or Swimsuits like Rachel's Fiend Costumes for everyone (like Kasumi, Marie, Honoka, Misaki, Luna, Kanna etc.).

Mila's popularity on social media has died immensely, and while I can't rule your opinion out completely, I can say with certainty that more people talk about Rachel and for good reason. She's far more attractive than Mila (hot take from some I'm sure) by every plausible standard; especially by the merit of being something different in the DOAX game. She's thick (which TN will do from time to time given the look of Sayuri) she's also got the third or fourth largest bust I believe and could present an interesting storyline. She's tall and has a far more iconic outfit that has yet to release in DOAX, but very well should at some point.

I just go off by previous Voting Poll & New One from Top to Bottom, with no regards of devs changing things up like example Tekken 8 where there was Datamine for Fahkumram & Marduk which Season 1 wound up with Heihachi & Clive similar to Multiversus where when their cast got Datamine (like LeBrone, Rick, Morty, Gizmo & Stripe, Beetlejuice to name a few) winds up included as the character roster thanks to fellow Leakers/Dataminers. It may take years for devs to finally included another cut DOA girl.

While Rachel is attractive, thick, large bust, and has iconic outfits. But none of these reasons gave Rachel the advantage to not only beat Mila in numbers, but either would've been higher than Lei-Fang or Tina, or even better be included in DOAX3. Some of these points could easily be get beaten by Nyotengu (attractive), Sayuri (thick), Honoka (large bust), & Iconic Outfits (Marie Rose in her Devil Costume from DOAX3):

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So from a Popularity standpoint, Rachel best points just won't be enough, or worst if there were more people that cared about Rachel either there wasn't enough votes (since you can pick 1 character) or didn't show up leading Rachel to failure in the DOAX space.

Mila's story is so overdone by the equally ambitious Tina and Mila's base outfit is extremely bland and bourgeois.

You also have to factor in that NA players feedback is starting to mean more to the market than it did several years ago. It's very popular on Steam and people are completely open to being a YEAR behind in content to play it on Steam and not awful DMM.

So, I hope that you can look past my hot takes and see my arguments as very possible. I think the next OG girl is going to be Lisa, NiCO or MY GIRL Rachel. The biggest case for Mila I can make is that she's a tomboy and that rancid poll.

OH and one more argument I can make is Team NINJA is calling this the year of NINJA Gaiden. They are going to want to celebrate it in every marketable and fathomable way. What better way to market even NGIIB than to release Rachel.

Despite Mila's own issues & losing popularity, there was enough people that voted for Mila over Rachel, Christie, & Lisa (bottom of the barrel, from objective standpoint), but not enough to be in DOAX3.

I wouldn't even count NA Players considering DOAX3/DOAXVV/VV Prism are not available for Worldwide Players, plus only Japanese Players had the say in the Voting Process so no one outside of Japan were going to count since its first Voting Poll. Unless KT are letting Foreign Players taking part in Japanese Surveys so they can express on what they want.

DOAXVV is mainly Number 1 on DMM Games Website couple of times in the Japanese servers, so I wouldn't go as far as saying Steam is very popular unless DMM Games has something that keep track of Players or who owns the game like Steam Charts or Playstation Trophies like this for example:


At this is has: 1,999 players right now, 2,489 24-hour peak, and 11,284 all-time peak 1.8 years ago

This easily beat DOA6 Numbers with 146 players right now, 185 24-hour peak, and 2,107 all-time peak 5.9 years ago at this time.

When it comes to hot takes, its a mild take since these are least popular characters which Mila is behind another least popular character Tina who was finally included in DOAXVV. While I do see your arguments as possible, but its up for the developers themselves to change things up abit (which DOAXVV doesn't do much in terms of the cut girls), Ninja Gaiden could easily be a change up which may or may not happen.
 

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Once again, do you have anything that points to the relevancy of Mila at all other than the poll? The poll seems like outdated information at this point to me. Enough people are saying MEH to DMM despite the benefits to downloading and playing it there over Steam. People don't like their PCs to be polluted with too many ecosystems, and there is no ecosystem better or more established than Steam other than maybe XBOX.

Rachel's popularity has spiked on social media since her redesign in NGIIB and NG will be very relevant to the company this year and moving on. Let's not pretend like a poll is a roadmap for the game, because it's not even if it looked accurate in theory. You are putting too much stock into it I'm afraid.

Also comparing DOA6 stats on Steam is kind of a bad idea. DOA5 and DOA6 were NOT preferred on the Steam platform, and Team NINJA blew it on PC even if it does run better and look better than on console. The DOA fighting franchise still has over 10 million units sold which is a stat I don't believe the DOAX series (as much as I love it) will see as it is a completely free game that is justified by live service content.

I don't doubt all of your comments on the issue, but Rachel is the talk of the town, and I'm willing to bet that Mila hasn't been discussed by Team NINJA in a long time.
 

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Its from the same developer that had a limited budget/resources that created DOAX3, and the cast of characters were chosen by a Voting Poll which results in half of Itagaki's Legacy Characters cut in half and having 3 new girls which are based on Japanese interest in Manga/Light Novels like Marie Rose (who would be My choice for the character I would root for her to win). The cut girls we've had so far were the ones that are higher than Rachel (first voting poll) & Lisa (second voting poll tied with Christie), so in the name of pattern recognition along with staff taking years to include the rest of cut DOA girls since their priorities are creating Brand New Girls, I would easily believe for NiCO & Mila to be the next girls unless DOAXVV Staff announces concept art or plan on included Bottom of Barrel Girls (for objective standpoint) like Lisa or Rachel.

The question for Youtube & Other Social Media Comments is are they Japanese? Since KT Western Branches decided not to make DOAX3 worldwide, along with the only people who were allowed to vote on their characters are Japanese Player Base. If there was more people within Japan that are talking about Rachel & Lisa, their big mistake was not partake in DOAX3 Voting Poll or 2nd Voting Poll resulting them to be less popular than Lei-Fang & Tina (who were later added in DOAXVV), Mila (who was behind Tina), & NiCO (2nd Voting Poll)

DOAXVV has every opportunity to include Rachel in time with NGIIB, but the question is if the staff going to follow it up during the moment to promote DOAXVV Players to some Ninja Gaiden content like Rachel for character and/or Swimsuits like Rachel's Fiend Costumes for everyone (like Kasumi, Marie, Honoka, Misaki, Luna, Kanna etc.).



I just go off by previous Voting Poll & New One from Top to Bottom, with no regards of devs changing things up like example Tekken 8 where there was Datamine for Fahkumram & Marduk which Season 1 wound up with Heihachi & Clive similar to Multiversus where when their cast got Datamine (like LeBrone, Rick, Morty, Gizmo & Stripe, Beetlejuice to name a few) winds up included as the character roster thanks to fellow Leakers/Dataminers. It may take years for devs to finally included another cut DOA girl.

While Rachel is attractive, thick, large bust, and has iconic outfits. But none of these reasons gave Rachel the advantage to not only beat Mila in numbers, but either would've been higher than Lei-Fang or Tina, or even better be included in DOAX3. Some of these points could easily be get beaten by Nyotengu (attractive), Sayuri (thick), Honoka (large bust), & Iconic Outfits (Marie Rose in her Devil Costume from DOAX3):

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So from a Popularity standpoint, Rachel best points just won't be enough, or worst if there were more people that cared about Rachel either there wasn't enough votes (since you can pick 1 character) or didn't show up leading Rachel to failure in the DOAX space.



Despite Mila's own issues & losing popularity, there was enough people that voted for Mila over Rachel, Christie, & Lisa (bottom of the barrel, from objective standpoint), but not enough to be in DOAX3.

I wouldn't even count NA Players considering DOAX3/DOAXVV/VV Prism are not available for Worldwide Players, plus only Japanese Players had the say in the Voting Process so no one outside of Japan were going to count since its first Voting Poll. Unless KT are letting Foreign Players taking part in Japanese Surveys so they can express on what they want.

DOAXVV is mainly Number 1 on DMM Games Website couple of times in the Japanese servers, so I wouldn't go as far as saying Steam is very popular unless DMM Games has something that keep track of Players or who owns the game like Steam Charts or Playstation Trophies like this for example:


At this is has: 1,999 players right now, 2,489 24-hour peak, and 11,284 all-time peak 1.8 years ago

This easily beat DOA6 Numbers with 146 players right now, 185 24-hour peak, and 2,107 all-time peak 5.9 years ago at this time.

When it comes to hot takes, its a mild take since these are least popular characters which Mila is behind another least popular character Tina who was finally included in DOAXVV. While I do see your arguments as possible, but its up for the developers themselves to change things up abit (which DOAXVV doesn't do much in terms of the cut girls), Ninja Gaiden could easily be a change up which may or may not happen.
To be fair, they'd need to promote Year of the Ninja extensively either way, and since Sakuta DID say they'd release girls to celebrate milestone events, Rachel would in fact be the most logical choice to release right now especially considering they already marketed two completely new Ninja Gaiden-related games (Ninja Gaiden 4 as well as Ninja Gaiden Ragebound) as well as a remaster of Ninja Gaiden 2 (besides, considering DOA5's anniversary occurred around the same year Tina was released and they skipped over that despite using DOA's 25th anniversary as a reason to release Tina, not to mention didn't even bother releasing Lisa a year later or even make ANY promotion of DOAXBV's anniversary despite it falling on DOAXBV's anniversary, I'm not necessarily sure Mila has that much standing right now, especially when anniversaries barring maybe the first Dead or Alive seemingly don't count. Otherwise, we would have gotten Mila and Lisa a LOT earlier.).

As far as surveys, technically, they are, since they don't bar anyone from participating in the more direct anniversary surveys during livestreams (I'd know, because I made sure to participate in them since I think the second anniversary, even made sure to write my replies in Japanese). And I've at least seen a few Japanese Twitter posts (or at the very least Twitter posts written in Japanese) that request the cut girls as well.

Once again, do you have anything that points to the relevancy of Mila at all other than the poll? The poll seems like outdated information at this point to me. Enough people are saying MEH to DMM despite the benefits to downloading and playing it there over Steam. People don't like their PCs to be polluted with too many ecosystems, and there is no ecosystem better or more established than Steam other than maybe XBOX.

Rachel's popularity has spiked on social media since her redesign in NGIIB and NG will be very relevant to the company this year and moving on. Let's not pretend like a poll is a roadmap for the game, because it's not even if it looked accurate in theory. You are putting too much stock into it I'm afraid.

Also comparing DOA6 stats on Steam is kind of a bad idea. DOA5 and DOA6 were NOT preferred on the Steam platform, and Team NINJA blew it on PC even if it does run better and look better than on console. The DOA fighting franchise still has over 10 million units sold which is a stat I don't believe the DOAX series (as much as I love it) will see as it is a completely free game that is justified by live service content.

I don't doubt all of your comments on the issue, but Rachel is the talk of the town, and I'm willing to bet that Mila hasn't been discussed by Team NINJA in a long time.
That's also not even getting into how Famitsu did a similar poll around the time Tina was announced for DOAXVV and NiCO actually beat out even Tina DESPITE Tina getting in (me, I voted Mila in that poll mostly because I was already fairly confident Tina was getting in).
 
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