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It's not enough to justify picking Bass over Busa. Bass actually has to work hard to get the initial knockdown and Bass is completely dependant on his ground game. Busa has multiple ways to get in and enough frame advantage when the opponent blocks to do whatever he needs to. If he is going to...

Busa is not that slow. He's about the same speed as Helena and she isn't that slow. He is a grappler character now so he isn't meant to able to dominate based on pokes. An 11 frame jab and a 13 frame mid is pretty standard for a grappler, now he is moving back towards being a striker again...

Well at least Sarah got buffed... for some reason.

Fine make it +23 like Jann Lee's retarded F+K problem solved.

Almost every CB attack is 20 frames, I think I saw one that was 19 frames. +21 is taking into account slow escaping so I don't see how it isn't enough.

Helena: Almost the exact same. Some useless strings became safe to non grappler's (-5), with the exception of 66P which she really needs to get in so that buff is appreciated. Sit down stuns are still useless ranging from +13 to +15 at best. CB attack from BKO is nice but it doesn't really make...

EVERY character should have one sit down stun that is +21 at least so they can set up guaranteed CB combo's. I guess TN thinks that would take away character individuality where in fact it would just give every character access to DOA5's new game play mechanic's.

I'm torn with this patch. The system changes sound amazing but seeing as most characters are still stuck playing DOA4 and the top tiers are still head and shoulders above everyone else in terms of avoiding the counter system I'm not sure I give a fuck. It's not much fun watching some...

DR2K's opinion of Helena changes as often as a hookers panties go up and down, no one thinks Helena is THAT good except him. Best character in the game, that's fucking hilarious!

Her sit down stuns not interacting with the walls is pretty useless. She only gets between +13 and +15 meaning the only attacks that will connect are 9K or 3P. I'd rather they just hit the wall so we can go straight for guaranteed damage seeing as none of her sit down stuns offer any where near...

Jann Lee lost one unholdable stun 1P(K) which now behaves like 6F+K which I don't think is unholdable. Kokoro barely got nerfed from what I read, the nerf list is long but each nerf is pretty slight, unless I missed something. Lei Fang is still extremely strong, all the current top tiers are...

She's exactly the same no real buff's, no guaranteed set ups. She's pure DOA4, nothing but stun and guess constantly.

I just went over the system changes, still no online tag co-op? Lisa's jab 12 > 11 frames cool. +1 on NH or block... what?

^^^ This, it isn't technically invincible but the hitbox on it is so stupid it might as well be.

Rarely use that move... you mean at some point, under some situation you have found a use for that move?! God only knows how that move is sooooooo useless. I don't even know why it's in the game! A lot of characters seem to have gotten real changes which are nice, honestly I don't understand...

Yup but it's okay 236P+K is +1 on block now! Anyone who gets how retarded this statement is gets a cookie!

Sounds good, I guess Helena isn't the only character with shitty sit down stuns. I was hoping every character would get guaranteed set ups in the patch. Jann Lee will still be head and shoulders above 99% of the cast, especially seeing as his nerf's are non existent.

That's a plus I guess. How are Hitomi's changes?

Helena is going to be worse off overall seeing as wake up kicks have been nerfed anyway so her ability to remove them isn't such a big deal any more. Her 2K from BKO will be much easier to react to now so her mix up from her +4 pseudo force tech is going to be much less threatening. She is...

Lei Fang's 1P+K is still a DP, no hit box change what so ever. Such an obvious move that needed sorting out and TN missed it completely.