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Care to explain for those of us that don't play Bayman?

Here hoping, I'm absolutely gutted at Helena's changes though. Her sit down stuns are still absolutely worthless. +13? What am I meant to do with that? Oh I get a free 3P... Yay! My hope was that every character was going to get access to guaranteed set ups like the current top tiers but Team...

I didn't really understand Mila's changes, any chance you can give me the gist of them? What does added half hit attribute mean?

This is nice. Ha! They could make this move +100 and it would still be useless, should have just removed it from the game. Nice to have some safe moves back, well non grappler safe anyway. I think this means it doesn't interact with walls(?) If that is right then that's a plus I guess. My...

Yeah same here, well might as well make the most of it while it lasts. How do you feel about Helena's changes? I was hoping for better sit down stuns, +13 is hot garbage...

Hey I didn't see a thread for this so I'm making one so we can talk about the changes they have just unveiled here: http://teamninja-studio.com/doa5/us/patch.html As a Helena player I'm definitely pissed, how about you guys? Did Team Ninja give you what you wanted?

DOA4 was more balanced because the hold system helped even things out seeing as even if your character sucked you could rely on high damage counters to win. DOA5 is built on guaranteed set ups, characters like Jann Lee can throw out attacks that give him at least +23 where as a character like...

:3::3::P: Is 13 frames but requires time to pre buffer so not so great for interrupting. :p+k: Is good for crushing most things but it comes out in 18 frames plus it needs a few more frames before it crushes. It also crushes better at maximum range than up close. :h1: :P::P::K: Is good for...

Well you do main him so your opinion is obviously more informed than mine. I could be wrong but I've always found him to be easy to grab. Although you're the only Eliot I've played in DOA5 and I spend most of my time in stun during our matches.

I did read his post, I said you can't expect things to be nerfed based on online. So having mix up is bullshit yes? Okay lets make all lows negative on hit that way there is no mix up when people choose to simply hold the guard button. Seeing how everything I wrote is bullshit. Fucking idiot.

That is fine but why should they be negative on hit? After landing a hit you are forced to block because it leaves you at -5, how does that reward the attacker? Your defence is null and void because you failed to react to her in string mix ups, all of which can be reacted to offline. The only...

Why should a slow low be negative on hit? I don't think any attack should be negative when it lands. If you want to reduce the stun these lows grant that's different. i25 isn't exactly fast and a lot of lows like Helena's 8PP2P are I think -5 on hit so she would have mix ups that leave her in...

True, I don't see what the problem is though. She has very slow low attacks that stun on NH and don't guarantee a follow up attack just enough frame advantage to open up a guessing game. How is this a bad thing for some people? It not like they are impossible to react to, the only one I...

I can do it so there is no reason you can't. Even 2K from BKO at point blank range doesn't guarantee anything and that's assuming any Helena player is going to have enough frame advantage to use a move that slow when they are close enough to get poked out of it by any basic mid punch. When I...

All of her NH low stuns are easily slow escaped so they really aren't that big of a deal. But yeah lets nerf a character who is nothing but constant guess work and who can't guarantee anything at all whilst leaving the top tier's who can land 3 hit CB's with sit down stuns taking over 60%...

Helena needs 3in1's that are actually safe and sit down stuns that give her more than +13.

I don't know about every one of her grabs or counters but she must have some situations that guarantee follow ups as I have never been able to block or slow escape the follow ups to her counters or grabs.

Don't her throws and counters have guaranteed follow ups that compensate for the lack of initial damage? Don't ask me for numbers as I don't play Pai, but I have been slapped around by her counters and grabs which I have never been able to slow escape out of.

I don't see how her speed and mix up game compares with characters like Jann Lee who are just as fast and can guarantee huge amounts of damage as well. She may not need heavy sit down stuns but having a limbo stun that only guarantees 6P is stupid. She should be able to land 1PK so she can at...

If I am correct her throw from her roll guarantee's 66K. I have sometimes thought that if Jann Lee's dragon gunner is an OH then Christie's roll throw should be too seeing as it is much harder to use. Her 4T really should guarantee something, it's strange that it doesn't. Her throw and counter...