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Helena's jab is 11 frames in BKO now? If 6P were 11 frames I'd be impressed... If Helena's force tech has been ruined like Mamba says they will need way more than this to repair the damage.

Please explain.

That wouldn't take too long on the Xbox, but on the PS3...

That was most likely it. Either way wall blow back removal is a nerf for Helena not a buff. I wonder if Team Ninja realised that or not. Seeing as she has a sit down stun doesn't guarantee anything at all I'm guessing they are just idiots.

I can't remember who but someone was talking about a guaranteed set up that they SE out of but the AI on fastest couldn't. I don't remember who though, I remember it was said by someone who was pretty credible but the name escapes me.

I've had people shake it, I initially thought 9K was guaranteed then someone shook it and blocked it. That's when I found only 3P is guaranteed. Oh and people have said that fastest stagger isn't the fastest possible either. Humans can slow escape faster than that. Regardless Helena just lost...

3PPP does not guarantee 9K or 7K only 3P. 9K is one frame too slow and 7K is 2 frames too slow. Put the AI on fastest stagger, reaction block all, set counter hit on and do 3PPP, the AI will block anything that isn't 3P.

How can she do more damage? The ONLY attack she can land due to how little frames she gets is 3P which as I said crosses the stun threshold and knocks down. She can't continue anything after that, and she can't land 236PKP or 66KPP when they hit the wall either so she loses a lot more than 10...

I just thought about the fact that Helena's sit down stuns won't interact with the wall any more which means she is going to lose substantial wall damage. 1.02 > 6PP & 3PPP make the opponent hit the wall offering a free wall combo. 1.03 > 6PP & 3PPP will cause a sit down stun at the wall where...

Having a CB from BKO doesn't make her better, she never had any problem cancelling out of BKO in time to land 7P. Lower health and sit down stuns not interacting with walls doesn't buff her as it is universal throughout the cast. Getting 4 non grappler safe moves back doesn't make a whole lot of...

Just ran a few tests on Helena's sit down stuns and what I found is actually worse than I thought it was. 214P +13 Only guarantees an in string mid punch. 22/88P +15 Only guarantees 3P. 3PPP +15 Only guarantees 3P. 6PP +15 Only guarantees 3P. BT 7P +13 Guarantees absolutely nothing. 44PPP + 23...

Did you actually play DOA4? There were massive lists of force tech set ups in that game, not pseudo, guaranteed force tech's that were far more dangerous than in this game. So the people who want to be rewarded for scoring a knock down are "ADD rush down kids"? Just because they don't agree...

One more, this was just too good to leave out!

This thread was funny earlier, now it's just sad.

No.3) So clearly you never do air combo's then right? There is nothing they can do about it after all it's only fair! When someone breaks Mila's takedown you let them go right? You have a huge advantage so that would be game breaking too right? Beating up on someone who can't retaliate isn't...

Force teching isn't going anywhere so this discussion is pointless. Unless people just want an open forum where they can whine publicly then by all means continue. Oh I'm gonna use Blaze's hilarious comparison from now on, Helena Queen of the Puppy Kickers!

People get frustrated because they don't have a clue how it works and simply cry "broken" before they even experiment with how to deal with it. I can get out of it just fine so I see no reason why other people shouldn't be able to. Then again I've had people say it's cheap to do air combo's in...

It was a generalisation, some lousy mid punch, mid punch, mid punch strings becoming safe from non grappler's doesn't mean much. Being able to CB from BKO doesn't make her any better as a character. But she does get +1 on 236P+K now lol Every character I read about got new sit down stuns, new...

God, I would hate to think of how Helena would cope without the ability to avoid wake up kicks, especially seeing as she didn't get buffed in the patch... sends shivers down my spine just thinking about it.