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A force tech comes after the untechable. Those then lead into unholdable attacks, which would be the only reason to use an untechable; otherwise you're sacrificing damage for almost nothing.

Your argument has no facts, just your assumptions. And now you're just arguing to argue.

Yes, yes you did. Those were all arguably bad match-ups for those characters, were they not? I was explaining how they could go the other way. Which all comes down to guessing in the end. Master didn't do anything I mentioned in that match, and guessed wrong in every situation. First...

You obviously completely missed my point.

Busa is top tier for all those reasons, but it's still possible to beat him with any character. You'd say it's a bad match-up for Jann Lee right? But Jann Lee can stop his crushes with 6k and 4p, and then he's faster than Busa everywhere else. That means he has to watch out for Izuna's by using...

Leon himself is an Asgardian. In DOA everyone does almost have an equal shot at winning because you can just hold whenever you want. Characters do have easier times obviously. Good thing to keep in mind when you're playing is what moves work on specific characters. If I'm playing Hayabusa...

Sure there is; just gotta have good yomi. More so for Bass because he's not very fast, but he does have pretty good setups. Tina doesn't have the best reach, but she's the fastest grappler and one of the safest characters.

I'd rather play DOA4 over the demo. That would change if the holds weren't 3 point, but they are.... and it's a bit ridiculous.

We can't all be as good as you.

I think you missed my point

lol So many replies. I love being called a scrub. This isn't SC! I understand that you're bad at DOA. :eek: I never said I wanted some crazy "I can just hold whenever I want" scenario. I was saying that taking them out completely wouldn't make sense.

I don't want to play every other fighter though. I want to play a good DOA... Anyway... Play the Alpha and tell me how the Busa, Hitomi matchup feels, then imagine if you couldn't ever hold it stun. Or play Kasumi in DOA4 and do the same. Kasumi's speed would take priority over everything. The...

Taking away the stun threshold and holds in stun completely is a ridiculous idea. DOA is a game based on speed. The characters that aren't fast would all have to have ridiculous crushes or the fast characters would just have to be super unsafe if they cancelled strings. Alternative is making...

3 point is the most ridiculous thing ever conceived.

Based on their twitter feed they've already been considering the 4 point, unless I missed something. I wouldn't count it out.

Unfortunately we don't live in Japan. If how it looks and feels are the only thing that make it DOA, then I'll just play something else.

I don't think holds need to be taken out of stuns for it to be competitive. VF is a great game, right? Where's it's tournament scene? UMvC3 is lame and it's huge... People will play what they want in the end; no matter what the system is, someone will enjoy it.... All I have to say is Capcom...

:confused: - You couldn't just hold from everything in 3.1 - High holds don't matter, you can still hit him with a mid and launch him just like a low. If someone's throwing highs they have the risk of you holding low or the high every time. If you were to throw a jab you could stop and...

But it's more shallow.

- Normal Hit launchers don't matter because the chances of you catching someone on NH are close to nothing. You're more likely to hit them on CH anyway. Those other ones you mentioned were really easy to hold in 4, and if they're mid they'd be that much easier in 5. - The point was that it's a...