I hate when people say "you should never give up!"

[Bushido]

^ ^ ^ ^ *bows* ^ ^ ^ ^

 

[Intelligent Alpha]

Want to know what else is a dick move? Wasting people's time by asking for help, but doing nothing to improve. Like a lot of players I'm assuming. Plus, "l2p", How do you think people of the upper echelon got to that level? They decided one day: "Hmmmm, let me see for myself how this and this works"

What is learning to play? It can't just be memorizing inputs and timing on one side of the fence! All of the strats and techniques, but being a tryhard is the only one that seems to work! It's everybody answer for everything! You got combo-fucked? Combo-fuck back! That video Argentus put up has alot of truth to it! And l2p, that is the talking down shit, we're referring to. "Lab it up!" is the alternative version! Just because it works for you, doesn't mean it'll work for somebody else!

What to your point about asking for help, can't improve if/when you don't get it! Whether somebody sends you hatemail or says good game - or says you're getting better, they can still give you advice regardless of the tier they are on! (and I mean advice - not here's a shitload of strings - hope they aren't held). You can ask the folks I've played and they will tell you that I've improved through the advice they've given me and things they've noticed - both good and bad! IOW, if we are to l2p, how about you be nice and teach us some things - not just brush us off cause you rather not be bothered by "scrubs" (by then, we ought to be at the next level - noobs - which ALL of us were!)

 

[Argentus]

"There is no salt and we can't play."
...
*proceeds to create salty thread on FSD*
"That pissed me off."
"Its a dick move, and that's why I get irritated."
"that's what pisses me off"

DOES NOT COMPUTE
DOES NOT COMPUTE
INITIALIZING SELF-DESTRUCTION PROTOCOL

Unless you're being hit by a one-touch-kill-combo (are those even common in DOA5U?), you have no excuse to give up. Even in the case of such combo, you should be ready to react in case the opponent does an execution mistake.
Don't like combos in DOA? Stay away from tag team mode. Don't like combos in videogames? Stay away from fighting games because you know, they happen to have combos. And no caprice will ever force another player to change how he plays just to please you.
Like @Russian-chiropractic19 said, DOA players have it easy with combo breakers during stun status so I don't really see where the complaints come from. I would understand the butthurt in a game like MvC2, but DOA which gets trash talked for boobs and holds during stun? The fuck?

I'm saying why get mad at me for being on my phone while I wait for combos to end?

Want to know what else is a dick move? Wasting people's time by asking for help, but doing nothing to improve. Like a lot of players I'm assuming. Plus, "l2p", How do you think people of the upper echelon got to that level? They decided one day: "Hmmmm, let me see for myself how this and this works"

Lol. Yeah sure, let's see what works....oh right nothing does because I'm stunned or in the air.

You can't blame the other player for locking you out of what it is you're trying to do, Argentus. That's the entire point of the game.

When that starts happening you're expected to change what you're doing so it doesn't happen. If you can't do that then there is a clear difference in either skill level, knowledge, or toolset.

In the case of knowledge, keep replays of your defeats to break down what is beating you and why. Look for the moment you start losing. Ask questions. Go into training mode with the other character and pick apart certain moves capabilities.

In the case of toolset, you might just be in a really shitty counter-matchup. The game has a couple of those but no fight is impossible. Bass vs Sarah is probably the most one sided matchup, but that's about it.

In the case of skill level... well, play more and keep recording those losses. Skill level improves gradually with knowledge and practice.

I understand all that. Hell I have a few uploaded on Facebook that are losses. Its not an issue of know how, its when I'm completely helpless, then the opponent gets mad at me for being helpless. What the hells the logic in that? Like Helena's old blender or Tinas hard knockdowns, there's little else I can do besides go "...welp."

Or when going up against awesmic. I can get lucky and win sometimes but I've basically given up entirely going against his Christie...

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

even tekken combos arent long enough for you to make a bowl of cereal and come back to the game in time. you're not helpless you're lazy.

 

[Argentus]

even tekken combos arent long enough for you to make a bowl of cereal and come back to the game in time. you're not helpless you're lazy.

Please. The kitchen is right next to the couch.

Its good time management.

 

[Intelligent Alpha]

even tekken combos arent long enough for you to make a bowl of cereal and come back to the game in time. you're not helpless you're lazy.

I believe that was a hyperbole, sarcasm or both! (Ah, shit! No joke!)

Have you played tag? Have you played as Alpha in tag? Get back to me!! Argentus does have a point as most go for as much damage as possible and juggling is the only way to get it! (Well, there are critical blast combos) Play a tag match and pick mid to featherweights! The neutral/ground game? Don't even bother! And don't get someone going for stuns all day long! You can hold, but it's still a random guess despite yomi.

That is asinine to even think about saying! 30 hit combos (tag) 15-18 (solo) with your head in the clouds just wishing you could see the ground again, but then come the force techs! Then it repeats itself!

As much as looping was discussed regarding NG3RE bosses ... or loops against bosses in general. Argentus has a legit gripe! If I can get called a spammer for using the same setup (that you keep falling for, but I can't call you stupid continuing to fall for it). See? The loser can never defend himself/herself. Isn't this what defense-less means? This is why guarantees are garbage for they can in fact be spammed, but that's ok because it's "guaranteed" to work! Thus, it's taken for granted, like the combos!

Seriously, how my opponent and I have wonderfully even matches (we had 2 an hour ago) and neither of us pulled tryhard bullshit! (We're both A+, but rank means nothing, of course). If F ranks can do what Ruby's do, who's better, who's worse? That gets into copycats, but that is another discussion!

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

no i dont play tag, problem solved. why the hell y'all would subject yourself to that when you cant even stand the regular matches is beyond me

 

[the space cadet]

Sounds like some people don't know how to move to the other side of the couch.

 

[Awesmic]

I'm saying why get mad at me for being on my phone while I wait for combos to end?



Lol. Yeah sure, let's see what works....oh right nothing does because I'm stunned or in the air.



I understand all that. Hell I have a few uploaded on Facebook that are losses. Its not an issue of know how, its when I'm completely helpless, then the opponent gets mad at me for being helpless. What the hells the logic in that? Like Helena's old blender or Tinas hard knockdowns, there's little else I can do besides go "...welp."

Or when going up against awesmic. I can get lucky and win sometimes but I've basically given up entirely going against his Christie...

Didn't know my name was being brought up in this thread.

You listened to me in our private chat, at least, and you've come a long way since then. No need to have this thread open anymore.

 

[sinkingphoenix]

You are disrespectful if you just leave your character standing there. Quit the game if you think you can't do anything, or try to fight back. A match should be played till the end imho. I wouldn't like my enemies to just afk, and I wouldn't do it either. I'd rather quit then

 

[Argentus]

You are disrespectful if you just leave your character standing there. Quit the game if you think you can't do anything, or try to fight back. A match should be played till the end imho. I wouldn't like my enemies to just afk, and I wouldn't do it either. I'd rather quit then

You'd think so but its less hatemail to just wait it out lol.

Sides its equally disrespectful to wail on people who obviously don't know how to deal with it, so its hard to feel bad.

 

[WAZAAAAA]

You are so scrubby that the only way to bring justice for what you say is to torture you for eternity.

 

[Blash]

Its disrespectful and comes across as childish. Full-stop! I'm not that good online, I like playing with my friends/family/fiancé. I play the odd game online.

If you want to avoid pissy messages from trolls, why have a strop and go afk? No matter what game you play, going afk is the height of gaming disrespectfulness. At least if it ever resorts to name calling you can fire back. Going afk is the classic 'takes ball, goes home' scenario.

Its nice to see the rarity that is someone else with a head on their shoulders.

I think its amusing that you think someone has a "head on their shoulders" only if they agree with you. Everyone else is just wrong in your eyes. If you plan to continue posting on a public forum, try to at least understand facts and opinions are NOT the same thing. Im not saying you have to agree with everyone, stay strong to you opinions, I have always belived that, but if someone disagrees with you... they are not undisputedly wrong.

 

[TheRealCoxinator]

This entire thread is pretty funny. Also it's the main reason most people never get above this level of gameplay.

Then they just quit.
Idk how the counter system is forgiving at all goddamn. I do have to agree with Argentus tho because a lot of the time i'll just be in a really good lobby and don't want to leave in case it gets full. Maybe someone else will beat him and I get another try.

 

[Argentus]

This entire thread is pretty funny. Also it's the main reason most people never get above this level of gameplay.

Then they just quit.
Idk how the counter system is forgiving at all goddamn. I do have to agree with Argentus tho because a lot of the time i'll just be in a really good lobby and don't want to leave in case it gets full. Maybe someone else will beat him and I get another try.

Honestly its mostly just amusing to me.

Their goal is to do guaranteed damage.

I give them exactly what they want and somehow that's disrespectful.

Yet if their opponent is clearly struggling and not understanding how to deal with something well then tough shit they just continue rushing a punching bag instead of helping them, yet that's not disrespectful?

Honestly its the hypocrisy that gets me the most.

Everyone's opinion is essentially "if you do it to me that's disrespectful, but if I do it to you that's fine".

 

[Kronin]

Yet if their opponent is clearly struggling and not understanding how to deal with something well then tough shit they just continue rushing a punching bag instead of helping them, yet that's not disrespectful?

How they should help, not playing at their best for giving you a chance? At the most they could accept to not play with their main in the next fights (of course after to end that one with both you and them playing until the very end), but if you want their help, and you are interested to play, you have to ask them this after the matches: "Sorry I can't react at all to your character and so I don't get fun from the matches, please could you be so kind to say me what I'm doing wrong? What are the tactics that I should apply?" At this point they could accept to say you their "secret" or to play a training session with you (the training lobby was created exactly for this purpose). But when you are in a match it's your skill against their one and it's repspectful for both the players give their best until the very end.

You mentioned Awesmic, I played against him many times and the outcomes were the same of you, even so he can confirm that I never surrended to play him because I was being destroyed. And I stated more times as a comical relief my almost 50 consecutive loss in ranked against the same player, without ever beating him and even more also a player without fair play. I think that stop to play seriously it's even worst and more irritating than to taunt or hit the opponent after the ending of the match.

 

[TheRealCoxinator]

Nah hitting people afterwards is usually uncalled for, and having someone give up against you means a free win. Ya gotta look at it from my skill level side. If you're beating someone to where they give up just back out to the lobby and start at the bottom. It's that kind of activity that makes me leave lobbies no matter who is in it. Especially if it's some online warrior dragon gunners.

 

[Blash]

Everyone's opinion is essentially "if you do it to me that's disrespectful, but if I do it to you that's fine".

I never go afk in games, I won't play a game if I don't have time to finish it, I won't leave if its not going my way. I don't know what you are reading but NO ONE said that! Judging by everything you say its like you just have your own rules, and you can change them as you see fit.

I think its interesting that you think DOA's content gives it a poor image, where as I think gamers with your attitude give ALL games a bad image.

 

[Argentus]

How they should help, not playing at their best for giving you a chance? At the most they could accept to not play with their main in the next fights (of course after to end that one with both you and them playing until the very end), but if you want their help, and you are interested to play, you have to ask them this after the matches: "Sorry I can't react at all to your character and so I don't get fun from the matches, please could you be so kind to say me what I'm doing wrong? What are the tactics that I should apply?" At this point they could accept to say you their "secret" or to play a training session with you (the training lobby was created exactly for this purpose). But when you are in a match it's your skill against their one and it's repspectful for both the players give their best until the very end.

You mentioned Awesmic, I played against him many times and the outcomes were the same of you, even so he can confirm that I never surrended to play him because I was being destroyed. And I stated more times as a comical relief my almost 50 consecutive loss in ranked against the same player, without ever beating him and even more also a player without fair play. I think that stop to play seriously it's even worst and more irritating than to taunt or hit the opponent after the ending of the match.

Real quick.

Explain what the difference is between
Me holding the controller as I watch my character get guarantee combod
And
Me not holding the controller as I watch my character be guarantee combod?



Also, when i see my opponent just wants an easy, quick win, and I give it to them. Where is the disrespect in that?



As for "should they not give their all to give you a chance", YES. That's why I ease up when I see someone can't keep up. Its downright insulting to just steamroll someone who doesn't know what to do. Its literally just corpse kicking (which is precisely what force techs are now that I think about it) for an entire match. A tournament match is a different case of course but we aren't talking about that.

Nah hitting people afterwards is usually uncalled for, and having someone give up against you means a free win. Ya gotta look at it from my skill level side. If you're beating someone to where they give up just back out to the lobby and start at the bottom. It's that kind of activity that makes me leave lobbies no matter who is in it. Especially if it's some online warrior dragon gunners.

Exactly.

I never go afk in games, I won't play a game if I don't have time to finish it, I won't leave if its not going my way. I don't know what you are reading but NO ONE said that! Judging by everything you say its like you just have your own rules, and you can change them as you see fit.

I think its interesting that you think DOA's content gives it a poor image, where as I think gamers with your attitude give ALL games a bad image.

You don't have a choice in going afk. That's what juggles are lol. You are taken out if the game for a while for them to do combos. That's the point I'm making. What's it matter if I turn my attention elsewhere while I wait?

 

[Kronin]

Real quick.

Explain what the difference is between
Me holding the controller as I watch my character get guarantee combod
And
Me not holding the controller as I watch my character be guarantee combod?

But a combo don't last for all the match (you talked to abandon completely the match) and the guaranteed damage is not high as other games, especially in a game as DoA that people don't play just because lacking of the same amount of other fighting series.

You can get a guaranteed damage and again to be able to win the match if you have the ability to do it, otherwise how you could explain all the unexpected comebacks that we see more often than we could think, both online and offline?

I would agree with you only on the infinites in Tag (and even there I admit that it's most for a sorta of "personal code" because in the end people are continuing to use the tools of the game, even if actually real fallacies).

Also, when i see my opponent just wants an easy, quick win, and I give it to them. Where is the disrespect in that?

Of course all my reasoning start from the assumption that the opponent is not only eager to increase the win ratio on his profile status, but want play a real competition struggling for getting a not easy victory, thing that I think is the same your purpose if I didn't misunderstand. Honestly I get so much more fun when I win but also lose close matches, or when I'm able to outplay a great player even just 1 time on 10, rather than when I get an X victory strikes against a player that is less skilled than me. You are free to not believe me but I assure that is the truth and I think to not be the only to have this mindset.

As for "should they not give their all to give you a chance", YES. That's why I ease up when I see someone can't keep up. Its downright insulting to just steamroll someone who doesn't know what to do. Its literally just corpse kicking (which is precisely what force techs are now that I think about it) for an entire match. A tournament match is a different case of course but we aren't talking about that.

Sorry but in this case you have to make this talking to the opponent before to start the match, otherwise you are playing using the common sense that want that all the players make the best for winning because the purpose of this game is to win, tournament or not tournament match. Look, I'm a friendly person and actually when I realize that I'm outplaying someone with my main (btw I'm not a good player), I change to my secondary characters - after to have ended the match - until to use completely randoms if necessary. Even so I know to make something maybe kind but surely not "right", even because this could be seen as a falsed match (I allow you to win because I'm using handicaps) or could also be seen as a lack of respect (you are not worthy of me giving my best). It's not rare that some players recognize this and ask me to continue to play with my mains, just because evidently share the same mindset that I'm explaining.