The second K of 66K~K only comes out if you hit the opponent with the first one, block or not. Since Marie's roll will without a doubt go under 66K considering everything else in the game does, all she has to worry about is 66KK. I'm almost 100% positive 66KK will hit her because the roll looks kind of slow and the second kick comes out really fast.
You said the roll OH might be able to beat 66K~K, and I said that can't happen because for the ~K to come out, the 66K needs to hit someone. If Kasumi does go for it and the roll dodges the first 66K (making the ~K followup impossible) that OH might actually be guaranteed. Kasumi's at quite a few negative frames if 66K whiffs or gets blocked and it might be enough for the OH to catch.
She has a low trip from her jab string or from a mid kick lead in (where she also has a mid K string mix-up from, as well). She has a 12 frame mid, a confirmed mid-crush, OHs, and safe pokes up the yin-yang. She has plenty to work with offensively.
But that's player tendency/stupidity, not game MU-reliant. If the striker plays patiently like a grappler would, they could throw punish all the same, just with slightly less damage (though not a ton less in many cases). But, they won't have to worry about the difficult offense initiation a grappler does (as usual).
You're just spoiled with OP females, lol.
I know. But keep in mind I'm used to applying block pressure with Hayabusa, who has less than that.
Yush! It requires adjustment to your playstyle, but you'll get used to it. Back in vanilla I had Ryu's 4PK for guard pressure (as well as 66K and other awesome stuff). Then ultimate came around and I have virtually nothing at all. Unimpressive string delays, basically 0 string mix-ups, horrible lows, terribly safety, tons of interruptable strings, etc. But as a result, I've become a much better player. Not having that "easy mode" 4PK and forced me to really work with my mind games.
PPP (high P, i15, -5)
You're just spoiled with OP females, lol.
Compared to what I'm used to working with, Marie Rose has easy mode offense. xD
I forgot to mention earlier a low OH. Which is a godly tool.
I know. But keep in mind I'm used to applying block pressure with Hayabusa, who has less than that.
Yush! It requires adjustment to your playstyle, but you'll get used to it. Back in vanilla I had Ryu's 4PK for guard pressure (as well as 66K and other awesome stuff). Then ultimate came around and I have virtually nothing at all. Unimpressive string delays, basically 0 string mix-ups, horrible lows, terribly safety, tons of interruptable strings, etc. But as a result, I've become a much better player. Not having that "easy mode" 4PK and forced me to really work with my mind games.
To be honest, I feel like I'm going to have a headstart on the Marie Rose most people won't, simply because I'm used to Hayabusa, who is also a defensive character with some of the same limitations as Marie Rose. That's not to say they're the same, obviously. Marie Rose does have the offensive upper-hand and is safer, but lacks the throw power of Hayabusa. She also doesn't have the Izuna swag.
I'm going to laugh when the few people that drop her do and claim it's because of her lacking offense. They don't even know.
Well, his unbreakable throw is weaker than Tina's or Bass' (usually weaker than Leon's, as well). He doesn't have the OH options to compete with any of the other grapplers. And surprisingly, he doesn't have the string variation and mix-up other grapplers posses. I'm hesitant whether to consider him a grappler or not. He's a very strange character, and objectively evaluating him is very difficult.
3K Safe i14 mid. A kick, nonetheless. For comparison, Ein's 3P is a safe, i13 mid P with no follow-ups, and Ein can chain that sucker in sequence and still apply some admirable pressure with it. We've got tools with MR. We just have to work harder than the average braindead character to apply 'em.
Okay, but for example, if I use Ryu's 3PP on block (-10) which has a follow-up (mid P), but I free-cancel it and jsut-frame a follow-up jab, I'm often struck out of my follow-up, because high-level players do know when the follow-up window has expired, and the -10 takes a toll on initiating your new string. If it were -3 like MR's K, I'd be scoring CHs on my free-cancel all day long. Mid-string safe attacks are honestly the best type to abuse offensive pressure. And with your follow-up being a SDS, this could be a very useful bait trap.
Again, I'd advise to let go of your attachment to strings. MR's aren't great, and don't have a ton of mix-up. I have a feeling she's the type of character where you'll be focusing on freestyle mixup, ie: asserting each individual strike or poke's own merits, both from stun, and from neutral.
But if you always play patiently like that, high level players will abuse the way you "play it safe." All they then have to do is never finish strings and voila: you will never escape their pressure. Hitomi is actually better at this than Kasumi is.
I don't do much stuff. But when I do do stuff, I do Izunas.
Yeah but that's basically every string Ryu has. Granted, there are better ones, but it's a common problem for him.
Which I agree with, but what I'm saying is that even a character with garbage strings and string mix-ups can hold their own. It just requires more skill on the player's part. And honestly, I find it more rewarding, myself. I'm actually kinda glad MR has this "handicap" for several reasons.
Cool beans!
lol
We'll see, but in the end you will have to develop a method of pressure against a guarding opponent, ideally one separate from tick throws.
We'll see, but in the end you will have to develop a method of pressure against a guarding opponent, ideally one separate from tick throws.
Ultimately, we'll see when she's released. Busa players have many different playstyles going between them, and MR very well, may too! Maybe we'll have totally different MR's.
