"Promise me, you won't tell anyone" Honoka General Discussion

Kronin

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If she is Raidou's daughter (which at this point I'll be surprised if she isn't) it raises some questions. Ayane is also Raidou's daughter but she has an entirely unique moveset that doesn't seem to be based on any other ninjas' moveset from her clan. I wonder why she didn't inherit this trait (I'm glad she didn't but still interesting).

Ayane was trained in a fighting style used inside the Mugen Tenshin clan, specifically the one owned from the Hajinmon sect that is evidently different as repertoire of moves from the Tenjinom sect's one practiced by Shiden, Hayate or Kasumi. You have to keep in mind that they are a sort of parallel clans that live and cooperate together in the same village (even if the Tenjinmon owns the leadership), again keeping an own identity with their personal leaders and secret techniques.

Ayane' style in the game appear unique because we haven't any examples so far for making comparison with her: Raidou born inside the Tenjinmon sect (so he modified his own fighting style using as basis the ninjutsu of Hayate), while we have never seen Genra, the master of Ayane, fighting as an ordinary Hajinmon shinobi but always in his overpowered and alterated status as Omega. However has to be said that the Hajinmon style is indicated being focused even on secret nimpo (while the Tenjinmon style is addressed to develope the physical skills), and when Genra shoots his lightining , shockwave or fire beams, he declares his attacks using the name of the element (for example "Katon" when he use the fire) and saying other things that sadly I don't know. For this reason I always thought that such moves were actually nimpo attacks overpowered from the esperiments, so techniques part of his original repertoire as Hajinmon ninja.

We don't know exactly how Raidou got the power to steal the moves through seeing them, if this is a ninjutsu skill, something developed with the DOATEC's experiments, or a genetic trait. But if Honoka is really her daughter and shares the same ability, we should think that the latter is the right case. If so, about the reason because Ayane didn't inherit it, I don't think that it's necessary to develope strange theories: no one inherits all the genetical traits from the parents but what happens is always a selection of them. So in a such scenario Ayane could not have got this power simply for natural causes.

Also does this mean that with proper training we could (hopefully) get an entirely unique moveset for Honoka in the future?

About Honoka's fighting style, honestly I don't understand the question XD Theoretically everyone can learn any fighting style, so I don't see because Honoka should be the exception: I think that her background make clear how she become a fighter perchance. Attending to the fights she become aware of her skill to learn any technique simply seeing them, thing that evidently pushed her to expand her knowledge of the martial arts through this cheap method :p If something should be noticed how, in the case that she wasn't able to "switch on/off" her power, could be just impossible for Honoka to learn a fighting style through an ordinary training.

Anyway, putting aside the fictional storyline, while I don't consider impossible but rather likely that Honoka will learn peculiar unique moves in future, imo her main trait of the moveset will remain always the one to use of "stolen" moves from the other fighters, even expanding such repertoire (made exception of the ones used from Raidou). This simply because is just this the purpose of her moveset in the roster, we are not talking of a character clone of a singular other that need to evolve its moveset finding an own identity and giving it a purpose for being in the roster (as happened in part with Hitomi - I say "in part" because since the beginning presented differences from Ein - but overall with Leon).

Exactly as no one can think that a character will change his fighting style, for the same reason shouldn't be thought the same for Honoka and her "Honoka Fu". This is also the reason because, whatever will be their evolution, no one should think possible that Phase or Alpha-152 will lose any similarities with Kasumi's moveset, just because this is part of their purpose.

PS: By the way, about the scenario of Honoka learning the ninjutsu as I think you were speculating, as often noticed from @Brute we still don't know exactly if the nimpo used from the shinobi are an outcome of their training, part of their skills inherited with their births in the clans, or a mix of the two causes. For example we still don't know if Ryu's inhuman skills come uniquely from his training or are also made possible from him being from the Dragon lineage.

But maybe Honoka's glove has something to do with Donovan and not Raidou
#goddammitdonovan

Honoka doesn't wear the glove in some outfits, I'm starting to believe that actually her power (and red aura) could come from her left hand and she use the glove just for covering her hand or similar reasons. The presence of her glove would be so an indirect consequence of her skill.
 
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UpSideDownGRUNT

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It's simple, Raidou and Honoka have the Mangekio Sharingan :D

EDIT:

In seriousness though, it seems to me that her glove IS related to her power some shape or form, they probably just removed the glove on her swimsuits and fetish wear because it would look stupid in contrast to the outfit
 

David Gregg

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Wow thanks @Kronin that was quite the thorough response. XD I forgot Ayane was brought up in a different sect. Also I agree with you that I don't think the glove gives her power. I think she gets scared/confused when she feels power coming from her hand and that's why she puts a glove over it.
 

Kronin

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Wow thanks @Kronin that was quite the thorough response. XD I forgot Ayane was brought up in a different sect. Also I agree with you that I don't think the glove gives her power. I think she gets scared/confused when she feels power coming from her hand and that's why she puts a glove over it.

Thanks, no problem. But on a sidenote I ask you sorry if I always reply with a wall of text: I would like to not be misunderstood, I don't make it because I want win an argument but only because the synthesis is not my strong point and everytime I really fail to write less.
 

David Gregg

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Thx, but on a sidenote I ask you sorry if I reply always with a wall of text: I would like to not be misunderstood, I don't make it because I want win an argument but only because the synthesis is not my strong point and everytime I really fail to write less.

Ha ha don't apologize I completely understand and I like learning about the characters who all have an extensive history (hence requiring long responses).
 

KING JAIMY

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Have you guys noticed this coincidence yet?

Honoka's unique stance is called Hissatsu-no-Kamae. Now, if you take the first consonant of each word part, it translates into HNK (Hissatsu-no-Kamae). H, N and K are also the consonants used in her name, in the same order: Honoka.

We could go even further and take the first consant and first vowel of each word part: Hissatsu-no-Kamae. Unfortunately this translates into ''Hinoka'', which is not quite ''Honoka''.

I wonder if Team Ninja did this on purpose, but of course it could also just be a 'strange coincidence'.

This also reminds me of the alternative names they gave to Lisa and Ein, which are both derived from longer names:

- Lisa = La Mariposa
- Ein = Epsilon

The above characters are both directly related to DOATEC, Lisa formerly working for DOATEC and Ein having been tortured by DOATEC. Since Honoka possibly has this 'word joke' in common with these two characters, would she be also directly related to Victor Donovan?

Thoughts?
 

Mayor-Of-Mustard

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Have you guys noticed this coincidence yet?

Honoka's unique stance is called Hissatsu-no-Kamae. Now, if you take the first consonant of each word part, it translates into HNK (Hissatsu-no-Kamae). H, N and K are also the consonants used in her name, in the same order: Honoka.

We could go even further and take the first consant and first vowel of each word part: Hissatsu-no-Kamae. Unfortunately this translates into ''Hinoka'', which is not quite ''Honoka''.

I wonder if Team Ninja did this on purpose, but of course it could also just be a 'strange coincidence'.

This also reminds me of the alternative names they gave to Lisa and Ein, which are both derived from longer names:

- Lisa = La Mariposa
- Ein = Epsilon

The above characters are both directly related to DOATEC, Lisa formerly working for DOATEC and Ein having been tortured by DOATEC. Since Honoka possibly possibly has this 'word joke' in common with these two characters, would she be also directly related to Victor Donovan?

Thoughts?
She's probably some experiment by Donovan that's what I'm thinking. I'm guessing Rig and Donovan were hunting Hayate and Hayate bumps into Honoka and they accidentally take Honoka and go "this'll do,"
Good enough? xD
 

Mayor-Of-Mustard

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AASGSUHUOHUHIOJ@(@!(!@( lol
Ugh, of course, fetish outfits. Is her Santa dlc pink or am I colourblind?
ladies and gentlemen the doctor bosconovitch of DOA
Now we need a Mokkujin.
And dat Honoka and Raidou hover-hand selfie near the end.
 

Kronin

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Ugh, of course, fetish outfits. Is her Santa dlc pink or am I colourblind?

I think that the santa outfit is red, if something I would have liked for Honoka to get it with the hat included.

I don't like how she still the "pink color outfit" signature from kasumi ! Know your place damn salad !

To be fair Kasumi color is associated to the pink color from DoAX, very likely because pink is usually associated to feminine characters (so girls with cute and nice personalities) and this in the players' mind wanted make appear Kasumi as the main female of DoA. Personally when I think to an iconic color for the kunoichi, I think to the blue.
 

Baal bal

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I think that the santa outfit is red, if something I would have liked for Honoka to get it with the hat included.



To be fair Kasumi color is associated to the pink color from DoAX, very likely because pink is usually associated to feminine characters (so girls with cute and nice personalities) and this in the players' mind wanted make appear Kasumi as the main female of DoA. Personally when I think to an iconic color for the kunoichi, I think to the blue.

True, but Pink is her favorite color, that's also why you find it in most of her outfit including her C2, which is nearly as iconic as her C1.
I think this newbie try to steal the spotlight a bit too hard for a salad.
(to say the truth, i'm disappointed she didn't get a "cow" or "salad" themed outfit.)
 
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