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What's so ironic about this is that no one complained when a lot of characters had it in vanilla, but when Rachel gets it, its World War 3..... Priceless.
Rachel General Discussion
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ninjaguy446
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It's because FTs have been nerfed for everyone but Rachel. And when you add that most of her attacks leave her at an advantage, while characters like Hayate are dying of disadvantage. She has what we want everyone to have, but no one else has it except her.
DR2K
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She can do it on any knockdown?
d3v
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Could care less about whether a character has drawbacks or not. Then again, I'm an admitted "tier whore" who's used even more abusive characters in other games in the past (3S Chun, vanilla MvC3 Phoenix, IGAU Superman, etc.). That and I do believe that balance is less important overall when judging if a game is "competitive" over whether or not people are actually enjoying playing the game competitively. History has shown us examples of games with really strong top tiers still being considered very competitive.
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I think the best advice you can give someone is this: get very good at dealing with the situation of your opponent being -5 and -2. That is all. You've defeated Rachel.
Because that's what you're pretty much what you're going to be up against. Her offensive hold puts you in a guessing game, but hey, if you block the mid, you're probably gonna be at -5 or -2 and even though there are other possibilities in that situation, I wanna say that's gonna be a pretty prevalent likely scenario.
Because that's what you're pretty much what you're going to be up against. Her offensive hold puts you in a guessing game, but hey, if you block the mid, you're probably gonna be at -5 or -2 and even though there are other possibilities in that situation, I wanna say that's gonna be a pretty prevalent likely scenario.
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d3v
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The challenge should instead be to find out how to counter Rachel so that if ever balance changes come, they're made to strengthen those counters and not weaken the character.
Worst case is TN taking out her frame advantage and force techs and saying "see, the game is better with unsafe characters and retarded oki."
Worst case is TN taking out her frame advantage and force techs and saying "see, the game is better with unsafe characters and retarded oki."
Rikuto
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You can't step her or crush her. She has priority at range, and easy frame advantage up close. She can't be CH on her fast OH, and she can go into her OH from neutral or as part of her high jab string. She gets high damage and a reset from her throws if you try to hold her to death.
She has made all three aspects of the triangle system her bitch, and taken complete control of all subsystems outside of it.
Please, by all means. If you can find a way to combat her, I'm all ears.
She has made all three aspects of the triangle system her bitch, and taken complete control of all subsystems outside of it.
Please, by all means. If you can find a way to combat her, I'm all ears.
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I don't see Shimbori nerfin her. He loves her lol
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Yall gon ban Rachel now? Cause thats exactly how yall puttin it.
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Yall gon ban Rachel now? Cause thats exactly how yall puttin it.
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d3v
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Good lord, game hasn't even been out for a month. Remember this old quote?
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Here's a matchup chart for a game considered to be a classic tournament game both in Japan and the US. A game that's seen play at EVO and SBO for multiple years.
The thing is, the game has an obvious top tier, including a character who's been top since 1997. Yet never has there ever been talk of banning any character (even soft banning) throughout it's competitive life. Instead, players simply figured out how to move other characters up (e.g. around 02-04, the Japanese figured out how to kill with a single combo using one character, she's now top 4).
The point is, we just don't know at this point in time. It's better to sit tight and figure stuff out instead of having kneejerk reactions based on the part that we do know.
By asking for nerfs at this point in time, you're effectively saying that the game has no room for growth, no depth. And even if a nerf is actually needed, you can't do a meaningful change without having explored any possible counters and/or the relative balance compared to the other top characters. It takes months, even years to properly figure that stuff out.MikeZ said:
P.S.
Here's a matchup chart for a game considered to be a classic tournament game both in Japan and the US. A game that's seen play at EVO and SBO for multiple years.
The thing is, the game has an obvious top tier, including a character who's been top since 1997. Yet never has there ever been talk of banning any character (even soft banning) throughout it's competitive life. Instead, players simply figured out how to move other characters up (e.g. around 02-04, the Japanese figured out how to kill with a single combo using one character, she's now top 4).
The point is, we just don't know at this point in time. It's better to sit tight and figure stuff out instead of having kneejerk reactions based on the part that we do know.
You can tech backwards and escape the kick even in the corner. Thing is, you'll still be negative after she whiffs.
EDIT: I don't think d3v can survive without quoting someone every post.
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Rubedood
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Ayane
d3v
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Well it wouldn't be right to say something without giving credit to who it was that originally said it.
BlackxxxMamba
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I never said it wasn't advantage... just not +28
Rubedood
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Don't forget Ayane. She gives Rachel absolute hell
