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[Rikuto]

You just proved my point that some characters manage to shine with new tools, thus why I say 4.5.

"Sorry you pick bad characters" further proves my point. Just because some characters can shine with the new mechanics doesn't excuse others being stuck playing a flawed system.

It excuses it perfectly.

Every fighter has a chunk of characters who have the necessary tools to win consistently and a bunch who suck.

You have chosen to go with one of the characters who sucks.

This is not a fault unique to DOA lol.

 

[synce]

Version 1.02 really did feel like DOA5. My three mains were Mila, Pai, and Alpha because none of them felt like DOA4 characters. Mila had that unique SS, Pai had scary juggles from 214T/66H+K, and Alpha had 50/50 chance of getting CB on 2nd hit. In 1.03 *ALL* of that was gone and we're back to DOA4.

 

[Rikuto]

When Alpha stuns you now, you aren't ALLOWED to hold or you lose 60% of your lifebar instantly.

That isn't DOA 4.

You could try to argue that Pai is DOA 4 style, except everything in DOA 4 was holdable and most of her good shit is hold resistant. So the stun game is effectively the same for her as it was for the best characters in 2 and 3.1 and her neutral game is better because she is always safe or plus.

Mila, yes. She got nerfed.

But she has frame advantage off of her guard breaks which, again, was absent from DOA 4. And her throw breaks. And she has guaranteed ground throws to begin with which was absent from DOA 4.


These are tools that you guys have to work with. If we were playing DOA 4, you would have nothing to work with. Because thats what DOA 4 was all about. Nothing. Don't forget that.

 

[synce]

Yes Alpha's updated grab does a lot of damage but IIRC her only launcher in a one-hit stun scenario is 3H+K so a good player will just wait it out and counter mid kick if he sees it.

And Pai does have some good unholdables but her damage is pathetic now unless you resort to guessing games. Another thing they killed was her wall game, which if you play VF you know the wall should be a very scary place but not anymore :/

I just hope TN listened to the feedback or at least saw that 1.03 did nothing to revive the game and only made the online more barren.

Don't get me wrong though, I understand DOA5 is an improvement over DOA4. DOA5 ver1.03 however was one step forward two steps back

 

[Rikuto]

1. You don't need a one stun scenario with alpha. The opponent cannot hold unless they want to risk eating 60%. It doesn't matter how many times you hit them in stun, the threat remains the same.

Hell, part of the morbid satisfaction is that you can basically torture your enemy inside the stun game and watch them grit their teeth because there is no smart choice they can make. All that is required for a proper mindgame to exist is to have unequal options, and the options here are clearly unequal. Alpha is solid as hell as a result.

2. Pai still does fine against lighter weight characters for damage, and against heavy weights she lacks damage but she walks all over them in speed. You can't have everything, but the fact remains that even with lower damage she does not have to take any of the risks a DOA 4 character would have to take with the stun game and she has an abnormally good neutral game.

 

[Raansu]

It excuses it perfectly.

Every fighter has a chunk of characters who have the necessary tools to win consistently and a bunch who suck.

You have chosen to go with one of the characters who sucks.

This is not a fault unique to DOA lol.

No, it is not excuse, not for this game or any other fighter. Tools should not be completely absent for half the cast.

 

[TRI Mike]

Yeah I know about the Tina thing. I just went back from a long while without playing the game and have been messing around with Gen Fu and Busa most of the time but really want to learn Tina because in all honesty, she's actually the character I like the most in the game.

I've already seen several accounts from players bombarding TN with tweets about improved stun game and holds. They're pretty much asking for what we really want... but then we have Drago and co. asking for bikinis and calling everyone cheap... so there.

 

[Brute]

No, it is not excuse, not for this game or any other fighter. Tools should not be completely absent for half the cast.

Not sure why you don't consider a parry, throw reset and some of the most ridiculously delayable strings to not be tools, but w/e.

And yes, I realize other characters have those, too, plus other shit (Gen Fu comes to mind). Doesn't mean she's got "no tools."

 

[EMPEROR_COW]

Pai still does fine against lighter weight characters for damage, and against heavy weights she lacks damage but she walks all over them in speed. You can't have everything, but the fact remains that even with lower damage she does not have to take any of the risks a DOA 4 character would have to take with the stun game and she has an abnormally good neutral game.

And Pai does have some good unholdables but her damage is pathetic now unless you resort to guessing games. Another thing they killed was her wall game, which if you play VF you know the wall should be a very scary place but not anymore :/

Speaking of Pai,
I've been experimenting with her quite a bit as of late.
I think she is extremely underused and underrated.

- Her holds arent as bad as people think (even on fastest SE you can guarantee something from all her holds except LOW P hold... HIGH K hold can give you a free dash in BT jab on fastest SE which would start a stun game .. but all other holds can give you launchers into a free juggle for the most part )

- Her throw game is also mean as hell, with the potential to either mixup or get a guaranteed juggle from certain throws. even put an opponent in a 1 guess burst situation.

- She may have lost the juggle 66H+K rebounce, but her 46H+K rebounce is quite good and gives sufficient juggle damage if set up correctly. I think she still has good juggle potential.

- Shes a fast bitch .. lol. with a 9 frame jab and 2 11 frame mids (6P and 3P+K)

- she has 2 MID strikes that register as crouching (for people inexperienced, this means that they not only beat throws but also standing offensive holds.. and the only way to catch them is with a crouching OH ). these are 46P+K and 2P+K ... this can be alot more disgusting vs a grappler than you think ... (consider Lisa's 1P nightmare)

- her + frames are glorious .. and she has decent safety.

- she has a ton of variation to her strings ... making her a mix-up monster.

don't let the 1.02 changes get to you Synce.

 

[Raansu]

Not sure why you don't consider a parry, throw reset and some of the most ridiculously delayable strings to not be tools, but w/e.

And yes, I realize other characters have those, too, plus other shit (Gen Fu comes to mind). Doesn't mean she's got "no tools."

I wasn't even talking about Hitomi. I was referring to the general balance of the game where half the cast has legit tools and half the cast doesn't. The lack of decent guaranteed damage risk/reward for half the cast is asinine. But since you want to bring up Hitomi, no I don't consider those tools, not good ones anyways. A parry that does little damage and gives no real setups or openings into the stun game and a throw that just loops into constant guessing are not "good" tools. And the entire cast can delay strings( concept that shouldn't exist), there is nothing special about that.

TN only gave some characters proper upgrades while others are still playing DoA4. That is not proper balance, that is just an idiot development team trying to appease to two separate crowds and that is not healthy for a game that is practically dead online already and it's only a few months old. If TN is smart they will properly redesign the game, but really that is just giving too much credit to an incompetent and indecisive development team.

 

[Brute]

I wasn't even talking about Hitomi. I was referring to the general balance of the game where half the cast has legit tools and half the cast doesn't.

Everyone has legit tools. Some more than others.

Though I do agree that string delays should be removed. That said, some characters are MUCH better at it and frankly that adds a great deal to their stun/mix-up game as throw punishing becomes considerably more aggravating from the defense when they can't tell if you've free-canceled or are simply delaying a string. It also make holds much less reliable and spammy from stun.
Throws that put you into constant guessing are good in DOA. Anything that puts the opponent into constant guessing is good. That's why Helena is good, for example. Reset throws are similar pressure tools. Guess, guess guess.

They are not the best tools in the game, but they are tools and they can be utilized to good effect. Neglecting them altogether is just over-compensating bias because you want to convince yourself that the situation is even worse than it is.

 

[Tones]

Dear Brute,

No.

Yours truly.

 

[TRI Mike]

String delay should be heavily nerfed but not completely removed.

 

[Rikuto]

No, it is not excuse, not for this game or any other fighter. Tools should not be completely absent for half the cast.

Yet they are. That's reality for everything.

Yet we don't complain that other games aren't evolving, do we?

Well, maybe in the case of Tekken...

 

[Kodachi]

Didn't know where else to put this. Team NINJA got C0W's Leon shirts XD

Team NINJA ‏@TeamNINJAStudio

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DOA5公認プレイヤーの@EMPEROR_COWから、こんな素敵なTシャツ頂きました！世界一強い彼は今、どこにいるのか・・・。It's present from EU DOA fighters! Who is he? #DOA5 http://bit.ly/11xtB8i
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Of DOA5 certified player @ EMPEROR_COW from, I have received such a wonderful T-shirt! Now, Where is he strong world .... It's Present from EU DOA fighters! Who is he? # DOA5 http:// Bit.Ly/11xtB8i​

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[EMPEROR_COW]

Didn't know where else to put this. Team NINJA got C0W's Leon shirts XD

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and that was the final phase of operation "Strongest Man"
victory is ours!

 

[grap3fruitman]

That doesn't look like a small.

 

[VirtuaKazama]

That is one badass shirt.

 

[EMPEROR_COW]

That is one badass shirt.

It was made by PJudge, check the end of the Leon thread..

He made an epic turban version .. and another one for tengu.

He also made a 3 amigos wanted poster with leon ein and tengu in sombreros and panchos lol (my idea )

 

[TRI Mike]

any pics of the amigos one¿