If there's one person who doesn't underestimate izunas, it's this guy.
Hey, if you want to plunge into the nightmare and see if you can try and save me from it, by all means. I'll take whatever help I can get.
DOA5U The Official Tier List with Discussion Thread
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Hey, if you want to plunge into the nightmare and see if you can try and save me from it, by all means. I'll take whatever help I can get.
Will do! Should be a fun project.
"Fun" is not the word I'd use, but good luck.
AkaShocka
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I feel like people are overrating Sarah a bit too much. Don't get me wrong, she has her bullshit but she isn't THAT good. Her spacing is horrendous, holds and throws aren't all that good, she doesn't track too much, and she is very crushable because of her more straight forward moves. All three of those can be abused by Christie, Ayane, Lisa, Hayate (arguably), hell even Tina can abuse those 3 against her. Sarah is also lightweight meaning she can be juggled pretty good (even though her juggles themselves be on some ridiculous shit.) I think the biggest or one of the main reasons people have trouble with her is her mostly her frames and scary pressure and momentum. Yes she has her obnoxious plus frames and pressure but just try to space a Sarah player out one time. Watch how different they play. Spacing alone can really fuck Sarah over completely just as it does for Helena. The reason I believe Christie has the best chance against her is because Christie seems to be the best to abuse her flaws against her very easily. I'm not saying Sarah is bad, which she is nowhere near, I'm just saying she has flaws that fuck her over completely.
I honestly don't understand why people act like she can't be touched. She is definitely one of the better characters but IMO she isn't in the top 3 or 5. I only think her safety and pressure is the main things keeping her afloat.
I honestly don't understand why people act like she can't be touched. She is definitely one of the better characters but IMO she isn't in the top 3 or 5. I only think her safety and pressure is the main things keeping her afloat.
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Go ahead and pick up Hayabusa, and then go and fight a high/top-level Sarah. You'll learn quickly.
What ever possessed you to put "only" before "safety and pressure" in a game where safety and pressure dictate the overwhelming majority of MUs?
Akira has great spacing when played correctly.
Tenryuga
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Sarahs safe but her + generally comes from highs and she doesn't have that much tracking. Her pressure without + is relatively short and telegraphed as well as steppable; It's just online makes it hard to deal with because it turns her 6KP from -3 to +3 and EVERY SARAH PLAYER THINKS THAT MOVE IS ADVANTAGE ON GUARD. You should not be getting counterpoked after taking a 6KP from Sarah unless your character is full of 14i and slower pokes / mids.
AkaShocka
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Sarah, the antichrist.
No. I do agree with you that the MU is in Sarah's favor but I don't believe she just shits on him completely. Playing ballr for so long, he seems to know his way around Sarah. You don't have to agree but I believe if Ryu plays the spacing game, he can at least give her difficulty. Trust me, I get tore up when ballr spaces me out if I'm Sarah (not calling myself to player but still it works very good). Ryu also has superior holds and throws that either do much damage or give him a juggle opportunity. He also has better use with the environment.
I'm well-aware of what Hayabusa's advantages are. His range options should only be giving you trouble if he has more health and you are forced to move in. That will be tricky for Sarah. But that doesn't happen so much do to Sarah's pressure ability and DOA's "run up and invade your opponent's personal space before the match starts" mechanic (in addition to her disregard for WU Ks and the like). If Sarah has the health advantage and Ryu is forced to move in, it's very tricky for him. If you're getting blown up by it all the time, then you're getting intimidated and making premature actions. If you're patient, his options to move in are very risky and certainly not compensating for what he lacks in CQ.
How good are Ryu's high crush options?
They're very unsafe, but they are pretty fast. 4K in particular is very useful.
I fucking hate this mechanic. It undermines the neutral spacing game, and allows fast close range characters such as GenFu or Pai to get in your face immediately without working for it at the start of rounds. It just seems way too biased towards certain characters.
So Event Hubs has had its tier list up for a bit. Here's how it compares to this thread's tier list:
Event Hubs
S - Ayane, Christie, Sarah, Gen Fu, Kasumi
A - Helena, Hayate, Leifang, Rig, Mila, Jann Lee, Jacky, Momiji
B - Hitomi, Kokoro, Ryu, Zack
C - Alpha-152, Pai, Akira, Rachel, Tina, Brad, Lisa, Marie Rose
D - Bass, Ein, Leon, Bayman, Eliot
Free Step Dodge
S - Gen Fu, Ayane, Sarah
A - Kasumi, Christie, Helena, Leifang, Pai
B - Jann Lee, Akira, Hayate, Jacky, Alpha-152, Bass, Bayman, Momiji, Rig, Ryu, Marie Rose, Mila, Ein, Hitomi, Lisa, Zack
C - Tina, Leon, Brad, Rachel, Kokoro
D - Eliot
Event Hubs
S - Ayane, Christie, Sarah, Gen Fu, Kasumi
A - Helena, Hayate, Leifang, Rig, Mila, Jann Lee, Jacky, Momiji
B - Hitomi, Kokoro, Ryu, Zack
C - Alpha-152, Pai, Akira, Rachel, Tina, Brad, Lisa, Marie Rose
D - Bass, Ein, Leon, Bayman, Eliot
Free Step Dodge
S - Gen Fu, Ayane, Sarah
A - Kasumi, Christie, Helena, Leifang, Pai
B - Jann Lee, Akira, Hayate, Jacky, Alpha-152, Bass, Bayman, Momiji, Rig, Ryu, Marie Rose, Mila, Ein, Hitomi, Lisa, Zack
C - Tina, Leon, Brad, Rachel, Kokoro
D - Eliot
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Out of curiosity, why is Ayane at the top of both lists? Is she really the "best" character in the game?
More so than the other "Top Tiers"? Interesting... I always thought certain characters were better than her (...Who shall remain nameless)
I feel Sarah is kind of like Makoto in 3S, where she's really amazing, but the other top tiers all happen to wreck her. She's fantastic against the average character, but put Sarah against Gen Fu, Leifang, Christie, or Ayane and she has a really tough time.
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Okay, legit, I think the EH tier list is more accurate than this one. The only major changes I'd make would be to move Hitomi, Akira, and Bayman up.
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Okay, legit, I think the EH tier list is more accurate than this one. The only major changes I'd make would be to move Hitomi, Akira, and Bayman up.
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