DOA6 New Venus Character Could Skyrocket DOA6 Player Base

Before Dead or Alive 6 was released, Team NINJA seemed pretty confident when they stated that a Dead or Alive Xtreme: Venus Vacation character would not make an appearance in the 3D fighter, but with the rising success of Venus Vacation it comes as no surprise that our favorite developer would recant their statements in favor of expanding their DOA6 player base to a new audience this March. This surprise character is a part of the Season 4 Pass, and can be purchased in several different skews if the SPs are not your forte. With this story we explore why Team NINJA recanted their official statements that could result in being one of their biggest & best business decisions in years for the fighting series.

Contrary to popular belief, Team NINJA has definitely toned the sexual nature down as they have promised for the 3D fighter. Rachel's Fiend skin was controversially censored, there is an option to censor select oufits, and even their offering of bikinis are not nearly as revealing as they were in Dead or Alive 5. The Venus Vacation character will not necessarily bring back Dead or Alive to the skimpy standards fighters were accustomed to, and not everyone plays Venus Vacation because it is a game with revealing outfits, but because they enjoy the dialogue between characters and the different level of experiences they can have with their favorites whether it be in a casino or volleyball court.

Never in a million years would a fighter from this community believed that the Xtreme series would surpass the fighter's popularity, but it has; and the Steam charts show this emphatically. Is it because Dead or Alive 6 is not currently the game fighters want, or was it inevitable based off the accessibility & marketing appeal from DOAX:VV?

According to Steam charts, DOA6 has 147 current players with 151 on a 30-day average, and the game continues to decline in numbers by about 3% each month. While those numbers are not great, Venus Vacation is currently boasting 602 active players right now with 1,840 on a 30-day average which is a 10% gain from thirty days ago.

Keep in mind this is only accounting the Steam version released 10 months ago that has limited characters and is still evolving. The complete game is much higher, with the combined sales of DOAX3 and DOAX3: Scarlet.

While at this point you could say "This sounds like a slam dunk for Team NINJA!" believe it or not there are still plenty of things that could go wrong. Honoka was released in Dead or Alive 5: Last Round to appeal to the same audience of Marie Rose, while Raidou was released to appeal the players that wanted another male character. This was predicted to be a hype release duo, but the only thing that wasn't flat about Honoka was her knockers, and Raidou had ZERO effect in the offline tournament scene.

The new Venus Vacation character MUST be more fun and play better than copycat Honoka & low-tier Marie Rose, and unlike DOA5:LR there will be no male counterpart alongside her release, which is a damn shame for a community that demands the return of DOA's strongest man; Leon. It's without question that it will be critical for Team NINJA to release a BLOODY BRILLIANT version update alongside this character to reduce the anger and frustration some will feel in their wait for a more masculine character selection.

While there are other demands on the DOA6 community wish-list, stages seems to be the second, or maybe most important inclusion of all. The stage selections have been a royal pain in the ass for players at tournaments and are only beginning to get better, and unless it's Dead or Alive 4's 'Seaside Market' another beach level will not help DOA6 spice up its sense of atmosphere and location. Team NINJA should be prioritizing classic favorites & new stages to keep DOA6 fresh with the regular character releases.

Not everyone is excited about this release, and for good reason, they said they weren't going to do it. But this decision could be met with a compromise if our needs as players are met and we continue to see encouragement, support and content we want from Team NINJA going (hopefully) into our second season of fighting entertainment.
 
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Though moreso than anything, DOA6 or DOA in general simply needs a reputation as a competitive fighter along with more positive exposure. As much as I hate to admit it, constantly getting shafted at EVO hurts DOA's exposure immensely.
Want DOA to be at EVO but don't want DOA to change at all. People have explicitly stated hundreds of times why they don't like DOA and DOA people just say "Well, that's how DOA is and it's part of the game", or some other excuse. Everything DOA needs to fix has been voiced many times already. If you don't want to change then don't expect a different result.
Koei-Tecmo's DLC practices for DOA6 are a HUGE turnoff to potential DOA6 suitors
And who keeps buying that garbage?
- DOA6's release state was completely unacceptable, leading to horrible PR, and should have been delayed further until the game was in a more acceptable state.

- DOA6 in itself needed more offline content (and of course, online content, i.e. lobbies at launch). Casuals thrive on good content moreso than "dumbing down mechanics"
DOA6 could have tried to recover and gain the trust of the public like release free DLC packs or something. But no, they decided to isolate themself even more by reselling old DLC packs. And people here still buy them.

- Too many individuals focus too much on being toxic towards DOA6 within the DOA6 community, which can serve as a HUGE turnoff for potential suitors.
And I think the toxic behavior towards doa6 in its own community needs to stop as well because it's just a bad look.
You guys are overestimating the DOA community. The DLC and game mechanics are more than enough to make this community look bad. And that's just on the surface. Let me remind you, people here lost their minds over Nico but not the DLC. You people are still more negative towards the "anime" characters than the DLC practices. I love DOA but after my "getting to know the community phase", even I lost all my respect for DOA players and DOA in general. If more people saw how desperate you people were when Kayane touched DOA6, then even more people would have been laughing at you guys.

DOA6 had everything it needed to gain the respect and trust of the public but it chose not to change. The players included.
 

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Want DOA to be at EVO but don't want DOA to change at all. People have explicitly stated hundreds of times why they don't like DOA and DOA people just say "Well, that's how DOA is and it's part of the game", or some other excuse. Everything DOA needs to fix has been voiced many times already. If you don't want to change then don't expect a different result.

And who keeps buying that garbage?

DOA6 could have tried to recover and gain the trust of the public like release free DLC packs or something. But no, they decided to isolate themself even more by reselling old DLC packs. And people here still buy them.



You guys are overestimating the DOA community. The DLC and game mechanics are more than enough to make this community look bad. And that's just on the surface. Let me remind you, people here lost their minds over Nico but not the DLC. You people are still more negative towards the "anime" characters than the DLC practices. I love DOA but after my "getting to know the community phase", even I lost all my respect for DOA players and DOA in general. If more people saw how desperate you people were when Kayane touched DOA6, then even more people would have been laughing at you guys.

DOA6 had everything it needed to gain the respect and trust of the public but it chose not to change. The players included.
And what have you done for the DOA community or to boost DOA6's profile? I just see a whole lot of complaining which doesn't help anyone.

Also note that your response with regards to DOA & EVO has nothing to do with the remarks that I made toward it. I mentioned that DOA not being at EVO hurts its potential exposure because most games featured at EVO generally gain a considerable boost in exposure. I despise the cunt Mr. Wizard with a passion, but he unfortunately isn't wrong for shafting a game like DOA6 at EVO. I also implied that DOA/DOA6's reputation hurts the game alot in the general gaming community.

As a side note, although DOA6's mechanics are less than favourable, if more people actually supported the game and community (i.e. not bitching and moaning incessantly), the game's community would probably do better because potential suitors would be less likely to be turned-off (this is regardless of how "ass" the mechanics may be). Get my perspective?
 
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The fact of the matter is DOA6 drove away fans on top of failing to bring in any new players. So many veterans like Rikuto, Sweet Revenge, Lopedo completely dropped the game on top of many regulars i seen online on DOA5 constantly back in the day having zero interest in getting into DOA6 for various reasons... be it cut mains, shitty scrub mechanics, awful stage designs, same fetish-filled overpriced dlc. the list goes on. Whats truly pathetic is that instead of admitting their fuck ups and rectifying them they doubled down on the TnA and are even resorting to piggy backing off of VV in desperate attempt to salvage this game even after blatantly stating that VV character won't be coming to DOA6.

Hell the fact that with all its problems they felt need to highlight they are going to enhance their soft physics as their main change in the upcoming patch clearly showing how shitty their priorities are, this game deserved the fate it got and the developers have no one but themselves to blame.
 
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Last time I checked (post towards that Kasumi player up there since he knows who he is since part of it is in fact related to me), the clowns are the ones who consistently butter up the issues of DOA because of the sheer blind optimism. You are in no position to tell others what to hype up or not. You don't have to play the game to continuously help players because you can be sure as hell that I absolute still help people on learning the game, I guaranteed you that I still help people far more than you so you can toss that topic out the window, but lying to people to buttering things up to tell others that DOA is all fine and dandy is beyond shallow. You tell them everything from the game including the positive and definitely the negative and then it is up to "them" to decide on what they want to do from there. Same as any other fighter and their communities. The game is not in it's worse state since I think that title is DOA4, but it certainly could be improved on. I think I can find a better use for the word "toxic" since it usually goes to ignorance. Sheeping can also be considered toxic. There is also total irony in that post regarding "priorities" according to KasumiLover.

I certainly don't need anyone's approval on tech because I know what I post and the things I posted had always been legit on helping. The competitive communities had given me nothing but genuine respect so I will never forget what they did for me. That in turn allows me to try and figure out ways to help without playing it because I don't have to and life always comes first. I share their events and help people with tech. Helping with unholdables etc.

Lastly, Manny is literally a friend of mine whom I met personally and shared drinks with and we literally chat all the time along with many others. There's even a #DOA-BUGS in his discord channel that people post things to improve on and eliminate bugs because we were the only ones doing it at the time for DOA6 including Wazaaaa, and there are people still doing it. The JPN community usually posts more bugs and information than the west on this site so I hardly have to look through here to improve on the game. If I find something? it goes straight into the Discord and Manny will send it to them. I would imagine it's tough work getting tagged by crazy posts out there in Twitter as a CM and he was the one who took that role, but regardless I always support Matt and him so that's besides the point. Anyways, I had some good laughs so this conversation regarding that is over, i'm chilling so lol.

Want DOA to be at EVO but don't want DOA to change at all.
While I agree that DOA needs to grow up (as well as the FGC), DOA does not need EVO. It is a giant corporate where money speaks and Joey hates DOA. DOA can strive without it. EVO will certainly help DOA on viewership and publicity (eh, maybe), but if it can't make it shit happens. Big E events will help it.
 
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As for the posting issue, it's a case of Discord superseding online forums, which I don't like. 8WayRun has the same issue.
Ah, so that's where all the peeps hang out these days. I'm not up to date on the social medias nowadays, lol.

DOA6 had everything it needed to gain the respect and trust of the public but it chose not to change.
Respectfully, I must say, you can't be serious. Coming off of DoA5LR at least, yeah I'd say DoA6 had all the potential to take what it had built and go further but they dropped the ball hard. I'm still surprised by it. TN had brought DoA places I didn't think I'd see with 5. I felt they were making strides in both the casual and competitive aspects of the series. Then when 6 got released, I swear if the discussions between KT and TN for DoA6 were miced you'd hear them say "yeah, you guys did a good job with 5 but we'd like you to focus on Nioh and the various other big projects you've bagged now. DoA6 will be released as a cash cow using outsourced DLC to continue to milk the fans we've brought in since we see that potential there". Last I checked, DoA6's downloads for Core Fighters topped 1.5 million. People came back for DoA6, maybe new people too, but the problem is few people stayed, whither for casual or competitive reasons (although on steam it averages more monthly players than DoA5 did, but MK11 has more than any other FG so that doesn't mean much). They make a good impression, they get the job, then when first day comes they drop the ball. What do you expect? Should people wait for them to get their act together months later? A year later? Will they even? Looking at how and why they messed up the first day in the first place? I mean, I'll wait, but I can't ask anyone else to.

And what's with the generalization of the whole community? What's that about Kayane (dont even know what you're talking about)? Personally, my DLC buying habbits have plummeted with DoA6 compared to DoA5. Most of my DLC money has gone towards characters. Some people of course will still buy the DLC but I'm guessing, maybe hoping, less people are, or at least more people are being more picky this time around.If that makes KT say "well looks like the cash cow is dead, wrap it up" then so be it. But If I continue to play the game, even go online, does that mean I'm still supporting the game and all it's downsides? Am I still enabling KT to treat the game the way they are? Is it enough for us to not buy DLC or do we have to stop playing? Will that make them give us the game we want or will it kill the series?

Sometimes I think some people believe fans have more power than they really do. I don't think we can change KT or TN whatever we do. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
 
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To be fair, DOA6 had a low budget when it comes to potential. People use to blame Shimbori for promises he couldn't keep at the time when he was still directing, but some of those promises he had to delay or not keep because he was unable to. He wasn't purposely trying to ruin everyone's experience. All this stems from KT.

There is hope but comes in the form of patches, which isn't a good look for any game period. SFV had this issue and it took them this long to get it's steam back. DOA6 is only in vanilla state (unless they stop there which I doubt).
 
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@DestructionBomb - Glad to know a lot of that grassroots feedback is happening, even if I'm no longer in the circle where I can see that happening in real time and it doesn't get relayed all the time here. As long as QoL, balance, and bug fixes keep happening with every update, even if it comes along side a soft engine update and festish uniforms set #13, that does give me hope. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't care if DoA ever does Tekken, SF, or MK numbers or gets into Evo (although like FoN said, more exposure is nice), I'm satisfied having a good sized community that keeps playing and supporting the game and we all feel that we're playing the best FG out there because it is. VF has always been widely considered to be technically the best 3D FG series and it's dead. Why can't we have the 2nd best and be less than dead? lol
 
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@DestructionBomb - Glad to know a lot of that grassroots feedback is happening, even if I'm no longer in the circle where I can see that happening in real time and it doesn't get relayed all the time here. As long as QoL, balance, and bug fixes keep happening with every update, even if it comes along side a soft engine update and festish uniforms set #13, that does give me hope. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't care if DoA ever does Tekken, SF, or MK numbers or gets into Evo (although like FoN said, more exposure is nice), I'm satisfied having a good sized community that keeps playing and supporting the game and we all feel that we're playing the best FG out there because it is. VF has always been widely considered to be technically the best 3D FG series and it's dead. Why can't we have the 2nd best and be less than dead? lol
Just comes down to being honest with yourself in my opinion, if you have to agree with everything someone says that it's a best/perfect game then it could be following on blind acceptance even if it isn't genuine, but if it makes you happy cool. As someone who loves multiple fighting games and watches them instead of sticking to one game, there is a lot of understanding and enlightenment from what other communities go through and why they also like/dislike their game, how their fans react to their marketing strategies, why their gameplay works/popular here and why it's popular etc. in your eyes it could be considered the best game but is it truly the best game, but who cares right? same here course, if you are having fun with it then it shouldn't matter. I think Capcom Fighting Evolution is one of the worst games in existence from Capcom, but I did enjoy that busted game, though I was also being honest that it was a pretty bad game because it is. I look at UNIST and Guilty Gear and it's like "Damn they got this and this, lots of vocal support. They explain the good while also addressing the bad which is just as important and their overall game concept is solid to convince anyone to at least "try" it" and it's like holy, these guys are passionate about their game and blunt about it with a decent big chunk of communities.

For example Tekken. I think Tekken has one of the worst 3D fighting graphics in existence along with still using shitty old sound effects and the same shit plot of the Mishimas where Akuma was the only saving grace of it's plot, but I won't deny that it's the 3D fighter that's spear heading at the top to compete even the 2D fighters at equal. Because well... it is. Technically that's the best 3D fighter at present time (or maybe even SC but I can't speak on that one), despite that I also agree that VF is the greatest 3D fighter to ever exist, and I still believe VF is. VF needs to come back and blow Tekken out the water even if it does poorly. But inb4 someone says "Tekken is only that high up because of it's popularity", well it must of gotten popular for a reason since Tekken use to do poorly back in the day and had issues just to knack 20 people at events before T4. Maybe it's flash is what got people to play it whereas the others didn't have the casual flair, but to be fair, Tekken scored it. Can you blame them?

Yeah it would be great if DOA could get more exposure, but good exposure generally and shed for some positive light that it IS a fighting game too (which it's marketing tends to fight against apparently) while still being able to keep it's sexiness. I mean if DOA was the only 3D fighter on the planet that released, it would of had a lot more people (or not), simply because the other 3D fighters have a bit more impact behind it and they wouldn't have had a choice but to play it. DOA is at that phase from the general massive player base of other fighting games as "Why play this when I can play this?" obviously you shouldn't care right? but there has to be some type of way to get people to play and try it regardless. If it's someone ignorant however, forget about it. Don't try to bring that guy in, but there are genuine responses to feedback on why people wouldn't try DOA. But eh, doesn't matter. 3D fighters are a dying breed and there need to be more 3D fighters out there on the market.
 
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@DestructionBomb - Of course, you do make a good point to bring up perspectives and how every fighting game's community is really in their own bubbles. I can actually easily see that pretty much every new instalment in each series has been having its share of problems too, inspite of their popularity. What I meant was that it would be nice if we could get to the point where DoA's community generally felt that the game is at a good place (not saying the community needs to come to believe that about the current level of DoA6, but rather DoA6 needs to get to that point for the community), at least compared to the rest of the DoA series. I mean while I'm not a VF pro by any means, I'm sure even VF had it's share of problems and there were probably disagreements in that community in the later installments, but I'm guessing they knew they still mostly had a pretty good thing going there gameplay-wise. I've always felt DoA had the potential to be "close to VF but flashier" as far as technicallity goes. I mean, in a way VF is part of DoA's roots and DoA5 even acknowledged that, maybe even started to follow it a little in spirit, until DoA6.
 

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@DestructionBomb - Of course, you do make a good point to bring up perspectives and how every fighting game's community is really in their own bubbles. I can actually easily see that pretty much every new instalment in each series has been having its share of problems too, inspite of their popularity. What I meant was that it would be nice if we could get to the point where DoA's community generally felt that the game is at a good place (not saying the community needs to come to believe that about the current level of DoA6, but rather DoA6 needs to get to that point for the community), at least compared to the rest of the DoA series. I mean while I'm not a VF pro by any means, I'm sure even VF had it's share of problems and there were probably disagreements in that community in the later installments, but I'm guessing they knew they still mostly had a pretty good thing going there gameplay-wise. I've always felt DoA had the potential to be "close to VF but flashier" as far as technicallity goes. I mean, in a way VF is part of DoA's roots and DoA5 even acknowledged that, maybe even started to follow it a little in spirit, until DoA6.
VF had it's own share of problems. The series lacked casual flair and the support from Sega was not too potent considering that they liked to support arcade releases than home ports. The western market was also tough that some VF games almost never made it to the US, it was at one point going to be a 3D series solely in Japan only. VF issues was mostly not too bad, and they even try to do casual elements with customizations, but wasn't too popularly used I guess. VF just didn't sit well on the western market so the game just wasn't promoted well out here.

As for DOA6, I think it's in a better position than DOA4 was but that one is just an opinion, could vary. Some people think DOA4 did better and vice-versa, but there are some things from DOA6 that I do like. I like some of the stage ideas and crowd interactions for resets. Some of the stages didn't leave an ultra impression sure, but some of the ideas in there are pretty sick actually that some games could learn from via 6. DOA in a sense is more like VF Lite but with completely different principals and some traditional stuff thrown out the window that is generally ok to do. I mean, even Tekken was stated to be close to VF but flashier before, and neither Tekken nor DOA has done it to be that good. But hey, VF is overdosed on sleeping pills and who knows if that'll ever wake up which could be never. I do agree with you though, particularly maybe DOA2/DOA3/DOA5 may have been the stepping stone to it, and those were pure accident on it becoming good like Rikuto mentioned.
 
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Want DOA to be at EVO but don't want DOA to change at all. People have explicitly stated hundreds of times why they don't like DOA and DOA people just say "Well, that's how DOA is and it's part of the game", or some other excuse. Everything DOA needs to fix has been voiced many times already. If you don't want to change then don't expect a different result.

And who keeps buying that garbage?

DOA6 could have tried to recover and gain the trust of the public like release free DLC packs or something. But no, they decided to isolate themself even more by reselling old DLC packs. And people here still buy them.



You guys are overestimating the DOA community. The DLC and game mechanics are more than enough to make this community look bad. And that's just on the surface. Let me remind you, people here lost their minds over Nico but not the DLC. You people are still more negative towards the "anime" characters than the DLC practices. I love DOA but after my "getting to know the community phase", even I lost all my respect for DOA players and DOA in general. If more people saw how desperate you people were when Kayane touched DOA6, then even more people would have been laughing at you guys.

DOA6 had everything it needed to gain the respect and trust of the public but it chose not to change. The players included.
People have various reasons as of why they dislike DOA. If someone dislikes DOA for it’s mechanics then the game shouldn’t change simply because they don’t like that mechanic. People that dislike DOA’s triangle and hold system shouldn’t play DOA, because it’s not the game for them.

Many fans have stated their concerns about the game, and have asked for changes. I don’t know where you get the idea from that people don’t want change. The only people that don’t want change are the casuals and they only care about panty and titty shots and skimpy costumes.

People want DOA at EVO, but for a game like DOA it’s already hard because people like Mr. Wiz care more about the rep of a game rather than it being a fun game to watch. You’re acting like people here don’t want DOA to grow and get better when that’s clearly not the case.

Also you don’t have to respect me, you think I respect yo dusty ass? Think again. If you’re just logging into the forum to say you don’t respect us and to attack us I kindly suggest you to click on the log out button and never return to this forum again. Just because people dislike Nico and are vocal about her being another 18 year old looking like a child, doesn’t mean that the entire player base doesn’t earn respect. You act like the entire community is an asshole that doesn’t deserve your respect. There are many good people out here like Force of Nature and Kasumi Lover. Unlike them, I am an asshole and I really don’t mind being an asshole to your bitch ass. Periodt.


Last time I checked (post towards that Kasumi player up there since he knows who he is since part of it is in fact related to me), the clowns are the ones who consistently butter up the issues of DOA because of the sheer blind optimism. You are in no position to tell others what to hype up or not. You don't have to play the game to continuously help players because you can be sure as hell that I absolute still help people on learning the game, I guaranteed you that I still help people far more than you so you can toss that topic out the window, but lying to people to buttering things up to tell others that DOA is all fine and dandy is beyond shallow. You tell them everything from the game including the positive and definitely the negative and then it is up to "them" to decide on what they want to do from there. Same as any other fighter and their communities. The game is not in it's worse state since I think that title is DOA4, but it certainly could be improved on. I think I can find a better use for the word "toxic" since it usually goes to ignorance. Sheeping can also be considered toxic. There is also total irony in that post regarding "priorities" according to KasumiLover.

I certainly don't need anyone's approval on tech because I know what I post and the things I posted had always been legit on helping. The competitive communities had given me nothing but genuine respect so I will never forget what they did for me. That in turn allows me to try and figure out ways to help without playing it because I don't have to and life always comes first. I share their events and help people with tech. Helping with unholdables etc.

Lastly, Manny is literally a friend of mine whom I met personally and shared drinks with and we literally chat all the time along with many others. There's even a #DOA-BUGS in his discord channel that people post things to improve on and eliminate bugs because we were the only ones doing it at the time for DOA6 including Wazaaaa, and there are people still doing it. The JPN community usually posts more bugs and information than the west on this site so I hardly have to look through here to improve on the game. If I find something? it goes straight into the Discord and Manny will send it to them. I would imagine it's tough work getting tagged by crazy posts out there in Twitter as a CM and he was the one who took that role, but regardless I always support Matt and him so that's besides the point. Anyways, I had some good laughs so this conversation regarding that is over, i'm chilling so lol.



While I agree that DOA needs to grow up (as well as the FGC), DOA does not need EVO. It is a giant corporate where money speaks and Joey hates DOA. DOA can strive without it. EVO will certainly help DOA on viewership and publicity (eh, maybe), but if it can't make it shit happens. Big E events will help it.
Can you like shut up? You constantly act like this is a damn competition of who does more than the other. Good for you that you help people, but quit turning this into a stupid competition. Like, do you want hear a constant “thank you so much DB” or something? People are grateful for the things you do but stop constantly pointing out “I do X amount of stuff for the community”. We know.
To be fair, DOA6 had a low budget when it comes to potential. People use to blame Shimbori for promises he couldn't keep at the time when he was still directing, but some of those promises he had to delay or not keep because he was unable to. He wasn't purposely trying to ruin everyone's experience. All this stems from KT.
Even though it stems from KT, I do not think that makes it okay for him to make those promises. Shimbori shouldn’t have promised anything because that gave him a bad rep in the community and people blaming him (me included). He should’ve admitted from the start that DOA didn’t have that much of a budget and that the base game wouldn’t have as much content, etc. At release. That way players wouldn’t have set their expectations that high on the 6th instalment of the series. DOA5U/LR set the bar high for DOA since it was the best DOA game released so far, DOA6 just doesn’t live up to the expectations of what 5 left us with.
 

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Stop right there. Cool story. That topic is over now sit.

Even though it stems from KT, I do not think that makes it okay for him to make those promises. Shimbori shouldn’t have promised anything because that gave him a bad rep in the community and people blaming him (me included). He should’ve admitted from the start that DOA didn’t have that much of a budget and that the base game wouldn’t have as much content, etc. At release. That way players wouldn’t have set their expectations that high on the 6th instalment of the series. DOA5U/LR set the bar high for DOA since it was the best DOA game released so far, DOA6 just doesn’t live up to the expectations of what 5 left us with.
It's his job. Publishers and developers make mistakes sometimes but this goes beyond a mistake. If a higher tells him he can't keep his promise, who's to blame? certainly not Shimbori. Blame the ones who told him he can't keep it.

If you have a problem with DOA6's development and the way it was handled, tag Koei Tecmo. If you have game problems of DOA6 or bugs, you tag Manny and TN. Easy as 1 2 3. Swooosh DB out :ninja: .
 

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Want DOA to be at EVO but don't want DOA to change at all. People have explicitly stated hundreds of times why they don't like DOA and DOA people just say "Well, that's how DOA is and it's part of the game", or some other excuse. Everything DOA needs to fix has been voiced many times already. If you don't want to change then don't expect a different result.

And who keeps buying that garbage?

DOA6 could have tried to recover and gain the trust of the public like release free DLC packs or something. But no, they decided to isolate themself even more by reselling old DLC packs. And people here still buy them.



You guys are overestimating the DOA community. The DLC and game mechanics are more than enough to make this community look bad. And that's just on the surface. Let me remind you, people here lost their minds over Nico but not the DLC. You people are still more negative towards the "anime" characters than the DLC practices. I love DOA but after my "getting to know the community phase", even I lost all my respect for DOA players and DOA in general. If more people saw how desperate you people were when Kayane touched DOA6, then even more people would have been laughing at you guys.

DOA6 had everything it needed to gain the respect and trust of the public but it chose not to change. The players included.
DOA6 is always gonna be a certain way tho, the DLC and direction isn't gonna somehow change overnight, there's a western playerbase who wants change(myself included) but KT is always gonna priotorize the Japanese audience and iirc the Japanese still do play the game even tho VV overshadows the game xD

And I wasn't desperate tbh, I didn't even know who Kayane really was at that time. I was happy at one point that DOA was gonna have a chance at Evo but then a few people here kinda crushed that hype I had and after that I stopped caring xD people seem to really want doa to be mainstream and be at big events but it's just not gonna happen, especially after that funny core values incident where they basically fouled up any chance of that happening again xD
 
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Think we all can agree this game is a mess and needs help. Our best options are either try to support whatever the fuck DOA6 is trying to do until the eventual Ultimate or repeatedly request change we won’t be getting anytime soon. Both options suck so I’ll just continue to play something else lol
 
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Someone help this poor, troubled man.
Nah no thanks. Crowd pushbacks into a reset is pretty good, literally gives you advantage and can condition someone to burn meter. 2T safe throwing into other options etc. It's a messed up stage mechanic sure, but it's not like most of the DOA mechanics were even well done to begin with.
 
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Nah no thanks.
Nobody who needs an intervention wants one.

Crowd pushbacks into a reset is pretty good, literally gives you advantage
All stage hazards give you advantage. Even the dumb ones. But there's a difference between, say, a wrestler rope that pushes the opponent back to allow for combo follow-up vs a mob of bully bystanders that fuck with the camera and freeze inputs for a garish scripted sequence that can be repeated over and over and over, disrupting the pace of the match. I mean, it's not pterodactyl egg atrocious, but it's about on par with "rock the priate boat," and all of it is utter shit.

an condition someone to burn meter.
Well, see, if they removed meter like they should, that point evaporates.
 

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Pointless but uh, thanks?

All stage hazards give you advantage.
Yes and no. Some stage hazards completely reset the momentum into knocking you back far away. Some grant you extensive combos or a guaranteed launch or some immediate knockdown putting everyone at zero/neutral, but the advantage resets is generally different from ordinary advantage placements. You can continuously loop someone into zero health because they have to guess and are stuck in a open vortex like you mentioned while still having some type of option to escape somehow. I mean hey, let's add dumb mechanics to compensate for the already dumb ones in the game. It already looks weird to see random civilians who are about as big as Bass push you into open vortexes of course, but we already past dumb shit in the game so this isn't the first. It's DOA.

I mean, it's not pterodactyl egg atrocious, but it's about on par with "rock the priate boat," and all of it is utter shit.
I have to give some credit to the egg one seeing as it takes you back to the top of the stage to explore both arenas again. I know some people had an issue with that on how they can't go back to a previous zone of a stage. In DOA5 once you left the Home arena into the outside you can't get back in there which does kinda suck, but I suppose it goes into a topic of realism. Mostly neutral.

Pirate ship stage was dumb without a doubt and it was banned for a reason including inside the ship because TN developers got too carried away to make more flash and explosives thinking it will draw people like "Wow! amazing! so much fireworks and destruction! plus a giant kraken!? we'll definitely get more people to play the game now! forget the balance on that one, the casuals will love this. We scored big boys." Some won't believe it, but TN probably does.

Well, see, if they removed meter like they should, that point evaporates.
Yep and I agree, but it's still there and we are trying to defeat the meter so it makes it all the more beautiful to take every advantage you can get and abuse it so that they can look back at it and say "yeah meter was dumb because they can do all this now". Well shit, who's fault is that?
 
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Yes and no. Some stage hazards completely reset the momentum into knocking you back far away. Some grant you extensive combos or a guaranteed launch or some immediate knockdown putting everyone at zero/neutral, but the advantage resets is generally different from ordinary advantage placements. You can continuously loop someone into zero health because they have to guess and are stuck in a open vortex like you mentioned while still having some type of option to escape somehow. I mean hey, let's add dumb mechanics to compensate for the already dumb ones in the game.
You could have accomplished the "vortex" in so many better ways, should it be deemed meritorious to begin with. The current integration is so (ma)clunky that we'd be better off with nothing than the attempt.

It already looks weird to see random civilians who are about as big as Bass push you into open vortexes of course, but we already past dumb shit in the game so this isn't the first. It's DOA.
Again, never sympathetic to the "If other bad stuff exists, more bad stuff shouldn't be criticized" defense.

I have to give some credit to the egg one seeing as it takes you back to the top of the stage to explore both arenas again.
I was actually referring to the eggs on the top floor, where baby dino comes out and drops you off for a juggle right in front of the same egg. There's nothing conceptually wrong with a juggle from a wallsplat, but good lord, that animation is so tedious. I actually like the ability to go back to the top floor. Not because I like the top floor of that stage at all or because I feel like returning to previous floors should be a staple feature, but the bottom floor is just so goddamn boring at least there's hope of escaping it.
 

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And what have you done for the DOA community or to boost DOA6's profile? I just see a whole lot of complaining which doesn't help anyone
I played DOA5 for it's entire life, tried to get people into DOA5 since it came out, and pointed people to the DOA resources like this place and the Did you know series Master made. Unless that doesn't count because I'm not going to tournaments or making content.

@DestructionBomb - Of course, you do make a good point to bring up perspectives and how every fighting game's community is really in their own bubbles. I can actually easily see that pretty much every new instalment in each series has been having its share of problems too, inspite of their popularity. What I meant was that it would be nice if we could get to the point where DoA's community generally felt that the game is at a good place (not saying the community needs to come to believe that about the current level of DoA6, but rather DoA6 needs to get to that point for the community), at least compared to the rest of the DoA series. I mean while I'm not a VF pro by any means, I'm sure even VF had it's share of problems and there were probably disagreements in that community in the later installments, but I'm guessing they knew they still mostly had a pretty good thing going there gameplay-wise. I've always felt DoA had the potential to be "close to VF but flashier" as far as technicallity goes. I mean, in a way VF is part of DoA's roots and DoA5 even acknowledged that, maybe even started to follow it a little in spirit, until DoA6.
Exactly this. Everyone knows anime games has issues but the mechanics and other elements are still good enough to draw people in. BB and GG both have a shit load of issues and Under night too, but those games are still good even with their flaws. SC has issues but it still manages to draws people in. Now look at DOA6 and how it's issues affected it's player base and the public. Its so bad that top players left the game. You don't see that in the other games.

If SKD or Kizzie or Omito, or Redblade or any other top anime players left their game en masse then something clearly is wrong with the game.
People have various reasons as of why they dislike DOA. If someone dislikes DOA for it’s mechanics then the game shouldn’t change simply because they don’t like that mechanic. People that dislike DOA’s triangle and hold system shouldn’t play DOA, because it’s not the game for them.

Many fans have stated their concerns about the game, and have asked for changes. I don’t know where you get the idea from that people don’t want change. The only people that don’t want change are the casuals and they only care about panty and titty shots and skimpy costumes.

People want DOA at EVO, but for a game like DOA it’s already hard because people like Mr. Wiz care more about the rep of a game rather than it being a fun game to watch. You’re acting like people here don’t want DOA to grow and get better when that’s clearly not the case.
The issue with that is that the "people" in this case refers to the people in the FGC. If the majority of them don't like DOA's mechanics and people here don't want any change then the outcome is obvious. And of course reputation matters. EVO is a business and the vast majority of the people who take part in EVO also don't care about DOA. There's no reason for DOA to be there because it has no impact to the event. In this case DOA has to listen to them to some degree. And they aren't even asking for insane stuff.
Also you don’t have to respect me, you think I respect yo dusty ass? Think again. If you’re just logging into the forum to say you don’t respect us and to attack us I kindly suggest you to click on the log out button and never return to this forum again. Just because people dislike Nico and are vocal about her being another 18 year old looking like a child, doesn’t mean that the entire player base doesn’t earn respect. You act like the entire community is an asshole that doesn’t deserve your respect. There are many good people out here like Force of Nature and Kasumi Lover. Unlike them, I am an asshole and I really don’t mind being an asshole to your bitch ass. Periodt.
You're confused. Losing respect does not mean you guys are assholes. I'll break it down for you. How is this community suppose to be taken seriously or respected when something like Nico generates more outrage than the DLCs? You know, the DLCs that make people not respect DOA or it's community in the first place. You guys keep going on about needing to look good to other people but you guys are the ones accepting the things that make the community look bad. And if you didn't know, people outside of here don't respect this community. Look at the recent articles about the DLCs and how people are excited about it or whatever. It just further supports the "DOA is not a serious fighter" mindset. Other than that I don't care what you think of me. I'm just telling you guys what other people think about DOA.

DOA6 is always gonna be a certain way tho, the DLC and direction isn't gonna somehow change overnight, there's a western playerbase who wants change(myself included) but KT is always gonna priotorize the Japanese audience and iirc the Japanese still do play the game even tho VV overshadows the game xD
I know. I'm just saying don't expect people to suddenly change and accept DOA when DOA is the one not changing.

And I wasn't desperate tbh, I didn't even know who Kayane really was at that time. I was happy at one point that DOA was gonna have a chance at Evo but then a few people here kinda crushed that hype I had and after that I stopped caring xD people seem to really want doa to be mainstream and be at big events but it's just not gonna happen, especially after that funny core values incident where they basically fouled up any chance of that happening again xD
Yeah, but the Kayane thing was the final straw for me because I didn't expect people here to be like that. It was so embarrassing to see. People here are still awesome though. I just understand the hater's POV more.
 
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