Official Dead or Alive Xtreme Thread

[Kasumi-Phase-X]

Monica PV

I love her costume design, its sexy. The character herself seems to be more of DOA version of Rio, but bit more sexy.

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

What is funny (not so much) is that the day before she was revealed, I was thinking we could have a Mokujin-like character in DOA6 who is a dealer, have a cards gimmick and can use any fighting style random. I was thinking Nikki or Rio could use that role. And then Monica appeared.

Seeing how DOAX3 is more popular than DOA6 on Steam for instance, do you think TN will create a poll to determine which of the 7 new girls could join DOA6 ?

Misaki, Tamaki, Luna, Nagisa, Fiona, Kanna, Monica : who is more popular according to you ?

 

[RetroMe91]

What is funny (not so much) is that the day before she was revealed, I was thinking we could have a Mokujin-like character in DOA6 who is a dealer, have a cards gimmick and can use any fighting style random. I was thinking Nikki or Rio could use that role. And then Monica appeared.

Seeing how DOAX3 is more popular than DOA6 on Steam for instance, do you think TN will create a poll to determine which of the 7 new girls could join DOA6 ?

Misaki, Tamaki, Luna, Nagisa, Fiona, Kanna, Monica : who is more popular according to you ?

I could see Kanna in DOA6 because it’s easy to imagine that she knows how to fight. The others:.. idk. I love Tamaki and Misaki, so I would be totally down for them. Misaki seems like your standard idol in training, so they could go that direction and she could use DOA for publicity.

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

I think Monica is from Romania.

Before seeing her I was thinking she could be either Polish, from Bavaria or simply Japanese.
But based on the fact she likes papanasi (which is the best dessert I've eaten in Europe) and her name is actually pretty common in Easter Europe, I'd say Romanian is possible. Or mixed.

Indeed. Kanna could easily inherit Genra's fighting style for some random reason.

 

[Yuffie]

If this is the poll that everyone keeps referring to then it shows that Leifang was the next best choice while Lisa was second to last.View attachment 29036

Ugh seeing Rachel 3rd to last sickens me.
Sure her and Christie are in the data mine but I feel like those are just placeholders and they may not even appear. I hope I'm wrong though.
IF we do get another cut character, it'll probably be Tina.
I doubt Nico would come to VV although they could've used her to promote both games months ago.

Wth, I didn't know Steam VV was more popular than DOA6?

So @otnesse since it takes about 3 months per girl when is the next release approximately? November?

OT, Monica looks ok I guess. Her name reminds me of the training name in DOA3/4.
What annoys me is that TN won't tell us the nationality of these girls.

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

Ugh seeing Rachel 3rd to last sickens me.
Sure her and Christie are in the data mine but I feel like those are just placeholders and they may not even appear. I hope I'm wrong though.
IF we do get another cut character, it'll probably be Tina.
I doubt Nico would come to VV although they could've used her to promote both games months ago.

Wth, I didn't know Steam VV was more popular than DOA6?

So @otnesse since it takes about 3 months per girl when is the next release approximately? November?

OT, Monica looks ok I guess. Her name reminds me of the training name in DOA3/4.
What annoys me is that TN won't tell us the nationality of these girls.

Monica was actually the system voice in DOA2U I believe.

Also, NiCO could be used next to promote a bit DOA6. Would help...

 

[otnesse]

I really like her too. She’s gorgeous and her outfit kicks ass!

And no offence, but the incessant grumbling that Lisa isn’t in the game is getting truly tedious. She’s not in the game because she isn’t popular.

Technically, Leifang also "isn't popular" if we go by that poll, yet that never stopped her from getting in to DOAXVV. And besides... being unpopular among Japanese audiences never stopped Lisa from reappearing in DOA6 with a fairly major role, especially when TN could have just as easily used the poll results for DOAX3 to kill her off for real at the end of DOA5. You know, similar to how Hasbro despite designing transmetal form toys for Terrorsaur and I think Scorponok ended up just dropping them into lava in the Beast Wars TV series (and ironically spared Waspinator due to him becoming popular due to his punching bag status, and Waspinator actually was slated to be axed.).

That said, I'd expect Tina to be next if ANY of the cut girls are to get in next (and if they give us one more OC, well, we're going to have to do a twitter campaign against them). Of course, Team Ninja on the other hand may just add in a lower rank girl just because, like how they had Kefka Palazzo be the second add-on for the Japan-only Dissidia arcade game, and that was despite the fact that they not only could have gone with either the most logical second choice (the Emperor), or one of the more popular characters (Sephiroth, Exdeath, also the Emperor), but also the fact that Kefka's actually one of the least popular villains in Japan.

So @otnesse since it takes about 3 months per girl when is the next release approximately? November?

Well, it should be, but the schedule's been very wonky lately (it took four to five months just to release Kanna, and a similar amount of time to release Monica, when they really should have released them in March and/or July, respectively.). For all we know, we might even have to wait until December or even January 2020.

I could see Kanna in DOA6 because it’s easy to imagine that she knows how to fight. The others:.. idk. I love Tamaki and Misaki, so I would be totally down for them. Misaki seems like your standard idol in training, so they could go that direction and she could use DOA for publicity.

Well, Luna's gotten SOME training in Karate from Hitomi based on her opening episodes. Tamaki's mentioned to have some affiliation with DOATEC based on her comment on those idol swimwear about how she designed them originally for a DOATEC event, so she might have some fighting abilities as well (plus, I think one of her gravures has her mentioning training). And based on Nagisa's... behavior to the Owner in both episode 1 and episode 8, it's safe to assume she actually can fight as well. So that's about four DOAXVV girls. Misaki, Fiona, and Monica are in the gray area, though. Shimbori repeatedly implied that Misaki is not a fighter (and she did get really winded when trying to join Hitomi and Momiji for exercises), Fiona indicated she probably wouldn't be able to handle fighting bears regarding strength training when Honoka and Luna suggested Hitomi allowing her to train via that method, and Monica's a card dealer regarding all we know about her. Of course, then again, that's never necessarily stopped fighting games from including card-based fighting styles or even princess-based fighting styles. Of course, with that all being said, DOA6 deciding for unknown reasons to have Honoka and Marie Rose meet for the first time makes their appearances impossible (in fact, the only ones who MIGHT be able to appear are Tamaki and Kanna due to their actually having history with at least one of the mainline girls, due to Helena being her benefactor, and Nyotengu being an extreme version of a frenemy, respectively, and even there, they'd probably have to keep their actions limited to strictly those characters that are confirmed to know them before the events of DOAXVV [ie, Tamaki will be strictly interacting with Helena and Marie Rose, maybe also Christie, Bayman, and/or Zack if we're feeling particularly generous, while Kanna strictly interacts with Nyotengu and maybe Ryu Hayabusa.].).

 

[RetroMe91]

Monica was actually the system voice in DOA2U I believe.

Also, NiCO could be used next to promote a bit DOA6. Would help...

They’d have to add NiCo to the console versions as well if they truly want to promote DOA6, but it feels like they’ve given up on the console versions.

 

[otnesse]

They’d have to add NiCo to the console versions as well if they truly want to promote DOA6, but it feels like they’ve given up on the console versions.

Yeah, no kidding about that. Which is a darn shame, especially considering if they kept up with Scarlet, they could have confirmed Luna, Fiona, and Monica's nationalities (especially when DOAXVV obviously has no interest in actually updating the game to actually include nationalities in the bios, and that's despite the fact that it's now being released outside Japan for the most part).

 

[Jadeinchains]

Monica looks nice but I definitely would have preferred Lisa, I get though that VV is more aimed at the Japanese fanbase though who prefer characters like Monica to Lisa. Both are good though.

 

[otnesse]

Monica looks nice but I definitely would have preferred Lisa, I get though that VV is more aimed at the Japanese fanbase though who prefer characters like Monica to Lisa. Both are good though.

Which is ironic, because Monica's not Japanese at all (being most likely Eastern European based on papanasi being one of her favorite foods), meaning there's no way the Japanese would want to play as a foreigner, which Monica, skin color aside, is as much of a foreigner as Lisa is.

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

The real taste here is regarding Lisa's skin color (not her "foreign" status), which is not appealing to the Japanese audience. Like Monica can be foreign but still look like an anime doll.

Also, the fact that they are hiding nationalities is probably because it would not be as appealing to all players if they knew where the girls are really from. The mystery make them more likely to please the crowd, I believe. Like they can have a touch of exotism, but not carry too much stereotypes based on their origins.

Hope I'm being understood and not being too rude or extremist. Just a theory on how to appeal as many otakus as possible.

PS : Speaking of stereotypes, Monica was definitely designed to be from Romania (wrongly known as the land of gipsies).

 

[Dionysus]

She's unethical (uses seduction to win), so I'm sure she'll fulfill the usual negative sterotypes about Roma people.

 

[otnesse]

The real taste here is regarding Lisa's skin color (not her "foreign" status), which is not appealing to the Japanese audience. Like Monica can be foreign but still look like an anime doll.

Also, the fact that they are hiding nationalities is probably because it would not be as appealing to all players if they knew where the girls are really from. The mystery make them more likely to please the crowd, I believe. Like they can have a touch of exotism, but not carry too much stereotypes based on their origins.

Hope I'm being understood and not being too rude or extremist. Just a theory on how to appeal as many otakus as possible.

PS : Speaking of stereotypes, Monica was definitely designed to be from Romania (wrongly known as the land of gipsies).

Well, they're doing a pretty bad job as it is, because Helena, Marie Rose, Hitomi, and Leifang already had their nationalities stated in past games, and they did a pretty bad job hiding where Fiona and Monica hailed from barring "not Japanese" (the former, due to her holding the title of Princess and repeatedly alluding to have lived in a stone castle, kind of narrows down her location to 10 specific European countries, with UK probably being one of those locales, and with Monica, her favorite food alone points to her either being Romanian or at the very least Eastern European). Probably the only girl they've actually done a decent job in hiding where she hailed from in general was Luna, and even she at least was implied to have hailed from a country that grows roasted sweet potatoes, was cold and impoverished, and also frequently celebrated Easter in the form of the Easter Bunny based on comments she made in various episodes.

Well, either way, considering they're obviously branching out to outside Japan (even if it's just parts of Asia), I fail to see why they can't add in nationalities in at least the Steam versions.

Plus, they actually tend to do a fairly good job at avoiding stereotypes even when giving the nationalities of the girls. For example, they don't depict Helena as a cowardly individual, a nihilist, a floozy, or anything like that (and heck, they actually made her a Christian, which in current days, most people would NOT think of France for its Christianity, but rather for its left-wingisms). Same goes for Tina and Bass, where they if anything managed to have their patriotism painted in a good light (most Japanese games tended to depict American patriotism as a bad thing, especially in Metal Gear, though even Resident Evil, Vanquish, and Dead Rising managed to insert a few negative commentary about it). Same goes for Mila, who if you didn't look up her bio beforehand you wouldn't even THINK she hailed from Spain (and either way, they certainly avoided going the route of just mixing up Castellian Spaniards with Mexicans, which a few games have made that mistake. Resident Evil 4 comes to mind). Even Zack, the closest any character got to actually being stereotypical, was mostly channeling Dennis Rodman.

She's unethical (uses seduction to win), so I'm sure she'll fulfill the usual negative sterotypes about Roma people.

Well, I'll need to investigate that bit. Probably the closest thing to that is her putting cards in her bosom from what I can tell. She certainly doesn't look Roma, though (aren't Roma people darker skinned and having darker hair?).

 

[deathofaninja]

We are not denying the fact that Lisa is not popular, we are just openly and obnoxiously judging people who can appreciate more an umpteenth generic girl rather than an unique beauty like Miss Hamilton. This lack of taste is puzzling and frustrating, even when you objectively take into account the fact that the game is made by a Japanese studio for a Japanese audience.

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Thank you!

 

[Onryoki]

Well, based on what Tom Lee said about wanting to give representation towards Hispanics and inferring that Diego represents American sensibilities rather than Tina and Bass (not to mention Diego negative comment about "fighting for the entertainment of rich people" just before fighting rig), and KT's twitter page strongly implying in a conversation with someone that Diego's gay, it's certainly gotten political now thanks largely to him whereas before it was largely neutral, maybe slightly more leaning towards conservativism due to promotion of family values among other things.

What does inclusion have to do with politics??? Diego being a family oriented person doesn’t have anything to do with conservatism.

It has more to do with his culture. Hispanic people are usually very family oriented. Same with Asian people, pride and family plays a huge part in the Asian culture. Look at Kasumi, Ayane, Hayate, Jann lee and Leifang. They’re all very prideful. It has nothing to do with politics.

 

[otnesse]

What does inclusion have to do with politics??? Diego being a family oriented person doesn’t have anything to do with conservatism. View attachment 29039
It has more to do with his culture. Hispanic people are usually very family oriented. Same with Asian people, pride and family plays a huge part in the Asian culture. Look at Kasumi, Ayane, Hayate, Jann lee and Leifang. They’re all very prideful. It has nothing to do with politics.

Just as an FYI, most of those posts have been deleted, so it's pointless bringing it up. And quite frankly, I was referring more to what Tom Lee and Shimbori said in that article I linked where he was created specifically to do representation for Hispanics, just like what JJ Abrams does with Star Wars right now, or the crap infesting Supergirl.

Either way, to get it back on topic, Monica being used instead of Rio is understandable since they'd need to pay royalties to whoever within Koei-Tecmo created Rio Rainbowgate to get permission to use her again, so creating a character from scratch is actually cheaper in the short and long run. And let's hope that her being a casino dealer would point to them actually including a Casino feature in the game (beyond gachas I mean), because that's probably the only reason I'm tolerating her inclusion and screwing over the other cut girls again. As far as Monica's nationality, well, other than papanasi, there's nothing indicating her nationality other than it obviously being someplace where casinos are prevalent (and considering the Japanese character Kasumi's favorite food is the French-made strawberry mileufille, that's unfortunately not much to go on, papanasi, I mean).

Not to mention, there's 30 countries where casinos are located (and that's not counting regional elements within any single country). They are Australia, Bahamas, Belgium, Cambodia, Canada, China, Finland, Germany, Greece, India, Italy, Kazakhstan, Lebanon, Malaysia, Malta, Monaco, The Netherlands, New Zealand, the Phillipines, Portugal, Romania, Slovenia, Singapore, South Africa, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the UK, and the USA. That's 30 countries to choose from, and if we exclude obvious things like whether her name matches up with any countries, that leaves 18 countries at most regarding where she might hail from. While still a lot less than where Luna's from, it's still more work especially compared to Fiona.

 

[candynarwhal]

I actually like Monica - but this is what we call being damned by faint praise, lmao.

Like, she's not 18, she's not Japanese, and she's not a moe blob. That's all she's got going for her, but at this point I'm pleasantly surprised.

@otnesse: Honestly, the papanasi thing is a lot to go on, considering Marie's favorite food is Swedish prinsessbakelser (which, as a fellow Swede, I personally hate ) and NiCO's is the Finnish joulutorttu. Mila likes seafood paella, and she's from Spain, and Diego is implied to be Mexican-American, and he likes tacos. Luna might be Ukrainian, what with her thing for potatoes, but who knows...

My point is, papanasi is way too specific a favorite food, to not be a reference to something. Searching up "papanasi" on Google yields twelve pages of results, most of which are in Romanian, and the English wikipedia article is four sentences long. If it matters, the JP article is even shorter.

I'm all for giving someone the benefit of doubt, but with the character designs we've seen for DOA lately - I'm just saying, it wouldn't exactly be fair to praise them for creativity...

Romania's kind of a unique nationality to give someone in a fighting game - which I know DOAX is not, but roll with it - anyway, so I'm happy with that.

 

[Onryoki]

I actually like Monica - but this is what we call being damned by faint praise, lmao.

Like, she's not 18, she's not Japanese, and she's not a moe blob. That's all she's got going for her, but at this point I'm pleasantly surprised.

@otnesse: Honestly, the papanasi thing is a lot to go on, considering Marie's favorite food is Swedish prinsessbakelser (which, as a fellow Swede, I personally hate ) and NiCO's is the Finnish joulutorttu. Mila likes seafood paella, and she's from Spain, and Diego is implied to be Mexican-American, and he likes tacos. Luna might be Ukrainian, what with her thing for potatoes, but who knows...

My point is, papanasi is way too specific a favorite food, to not be a reference to something. Searching up "papanasi" on Google yields twelve pages of results, most of which are in Romanian, and the English wikipedia article is four sentences long. If it matters, the JP article is even shorter.

I'm all for giving someone the benefit of doubt, but with the character designs we've seen for DOA lately - I'm just saying, it wouldn't exactly be fair to praise them for creativity...

Romania's kind of a unique nationality to give someone in a fighting game, anyway, so I'm happy with that.

Nobody in a fighting game got the Romanian nationality.

 

[candynarwhal]

Nobody in a fighting game got the Romanian nationality.

I was conflating the Xtreme games with the mainline entries then, sorry.

I just googled "Romanian dessert", by the way, and papanasi shows up more or less to the exclusion of everything else there, so take that as you will.